[AZ_1LE]

Originally Posted by bmsluite

Have you run the SC3 on the street? How harsh is it? I live in Chicago and our roads are a joke so it does make a quite a difference. A while back I had a car with some federal 240TW tires on it and it was honestly painful to drive it on the street in the city. Every pothole made me feel like I was going to break part of my suspension.

I had SC3's on my old SS 1LE and my old ZL1. No, it wasn't too harsh. Harsh is the SC3-R. I'm actually buying a set of the SC3's for my ZL1 1LE just to make the ride a little nicer for street use.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

I had OEM PS4S on my 2018 Mustang GT w/ PP1 and MagneRide and the OEM SC3 on my '21 ZL1. The PS4S are great street tires, but, the SC3 are a better performance tire in dry/warm weather and have better turn-in/steering feel. Neither are good in cold weather until they come up to temp. The PS4S last longer, but are quite a bit more expensive (~$100/tire) than the SC3.

My ZL1 rides pretty well given its performance potential. Slightly stiffer ride than the GT, but only slightly. The GT had 19" wheels in lieu of the 20" on the ZL1, so that might make a difference.

EDITED TO ADD: And just to clarify, I would never switch back to PS4S now that I've had the SC3. IF I wanted something to drive more confidently in cold weather, I wouldn't get any ultra high performance summer tire; I'd get a set of Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 4 or another high performance true all season tire.

[JSH]

I added the R, but you must otherwise be joking. Everyone here tends to drag topics to their car(s) and personal experiences. Lighten up dude. We're just having fun here.

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

You need to clarify the exact tire. You're always adding comparisons of things the original posters don't ask about. You said SC3 only last 2000 miles and are very dangerous on the street. However, you have a ZLE and you are clearly referring to the SC3R tires, which are R compound track tires, which the OP DID NOT ask about. Get a clue and answer the questions answered, don't always drag it back to your experience with your exact car like you do in every possible thread.

[HoodCheck]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

And just to clarify, I would never switch back to PS4S now that I've had the SC3.

Really???? I mean, I've had the SC3s (on a previous regular ZL1 I had), and they are the absolute worst tire I have ever driven on, just horrible. I went to PS4S from them and they were SOOOO much better.

[AZ_1LE]

Originally Posted by HoodCheck

Really???? I mean, I've had the SC3s (on a previous regular ZL1 I had), and they are the absolute worst tire I have ever driven on, just horrible. I went to PS4S from them and they were SOOOO much better.

In the rain there in Florida? Sure. Every other situation - you are lieing, lol

[HoodCheck]

Originally Posted by AZ_1LE

In the rain there in Florida? Sure. Every other situation - you are lieing, lol

Rain especially, but no, they just didnt hold the group worth a damn. The PS4S grabbed the ground much better in all scenarios. So much so that I switched my Z/28 over to them as well to replace P-Zeros, and found them to be much better than those too (I am not a fan of the P-Zeros at all either). So it surprised me to hear anyone say anything good in this thread about them lol.

In my experience, goodyear tires in general just aren't any good, even non-performance tires, I've always had issues with them and replaced them; now I avoid them like a plague. I know many who do too actually. I haven't tried the R version though, which I've heard is decent on the track, but I don't track my cars ever so couldn't speak to that (my ZLE had PS4S on it when I bought it).

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by JSH

I added the R, but you must otherwise be joking. Everyone here tends to drag topics to their car(s) and personal experiences. Lighten up dude. We're just having fun here.

Maybe I'm being a bit hard on you, but it's because I see these types of non relevant responses from you all the time. Someone asks about an LT1, and you tell them how the LT4 has fully forged internals. Just last week you provided an irrelevant response to a post and when someone called you out on it, you admitted you didn't even read the first post, just the title (I don't remember the topic). It would have taken you 15 seconds to read the actual post to realize your input was irrelevant.

It would be more helpful to people if your posts were relevant to the question or topic. In this case, SC3 vs PS4S, not SC3R vs PS4S.

That said, to get it back on topic - glad you like your PS4S tires!

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by HoodCheck

Really???? I mean, I've had the SC3s (on a previous regular ZL1 I had), and they are the absolute worst tire I have ever driven on, just horrible. I went to PS4S from them and they were SOOOO much better.

Hmm, I guess I don't share the same experience. I wouldn't switch to PS4S because I feel they have less performance for a lot more money. A set of SC3 tires for my ZL1 is about $1,200 +/-, while a set of PS4S for my ZL1 is $1600+.

[Vigilante375]

Some people on here are just like the ones on Facebook. Where they say the SC3/SC3R are horrible tires. People need to remember that the SC3/SC3R tires are road course tires that are barely street legal. They also take time to warm up to get to the grip they were designed to handle. And no, they don't last long but you need to look at the tread rating to see why.

They have minimal street manners for comfort because they are ALL about grip. So the ride will be worse than an actual street tire, like the PS4S or anything equivalent.

Hands down, the SC3/SC3R tires are the BEST street and road course tire. But only on dry roads, tires are up to temp and when the temp outside is above 70 degree...maybe 65. The tire doesn't last long, maybe 7k miles...maybe. Even less when you use it just for the road course.

The PS4S (or equivalent) tire is superior to the SC3/SC3R tires for street manners, tread life and being able to use the tires on dry or wet roads. I'm on my 2nd set of Pirelli P Zero and really enjoy them.

So to answer most of the OPs questions:

How much life do you get out of an SC3 or PS4S? I don't track anything other than SC3s but they last a handful of track days before losing their optimal grip. But it all depends on the track surface and how you drive. Much like any tire.

How much faster is the SC3 over the PS4S on track? I don't know the specifics but the SC3/SC3Rs are way faster than the PS4S. You can youtube tire comparison's and see the difference.

How rough is the street ride on the SC3? Rough but feasible in tour mode.

How much better does the car ride on PS4S vs the SC3? I have Pirelli P Zero (which are very comparable to the PS4S) and the car rides much better.

[WhiteMale]

I miss so much the razor sharp turn in that the SC3 has that I'd love to dump this set of ECS, I can't see liking the PS4S either, for what I do which is never tracked but I want/demand that kind of street handling. My only SC3 complaint was hydro planing and that's not really a factor for my driving any more. Everything else it's an awesome tire and I expected top get 12-15K on a set and expect the expense.

I switch for winter and run the Alpin PA4.

[JSH]

When I read OP's post, I interpret it as him asking about all ZL1 SC tires, both 3 and 3R. Thus, my post.

You can read the other posts and see other tires "dragged in" like the NittoR2 or whatever it was, which I didn't think twice about whether it was or wasn't relevant.

I just don't believe our posts have to adhere rigidly to the exact words used by the OP, because OP wordings are often vague.

After all, this is not deposition Q&A

Anyway, it's true I most often read the last few and do not read all of the preceding posts. At 71 years old, I'm allowed such leeway per site rules

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Maybe I'm being a bit hard on you, but it's because I see these types of non relevant responses from you all the time. Someone asks about an LT1, and you tell them how the LT4 has fully forged internals. Just last week you provided an irrelevant response to a post and when someone called you out on it, you admitted you didn't even read the first post, just the title (I don't remember the topic). It would have taken you 15 seconds to read the actual post to realize your input was irrelevant.

It would be more helpful to people if your posts were relevant to the question or topic. In this case, SC3 vs PS4S, not SC3R vs PS4S.

That said, to get it back on topic - glad you like your PS4S tires!

[HoodCheck]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Some people on here are just like the ones on Facebook. Where they say the SC3/SC3R are horrible tires. People need to remember that the SC3/SC3R tires are road course tires that are barely street legal. They also take time to warm up to get to the grip they were designed to handle. And no, they don't last long but you need to look at the tread rating to see why.

I'm one that says that not only are they horrible, they are the worst I've ever used. I'm aware that they aren't worth a damn until theyre warmed up supposedly, but in my experience, even after that, they weren't gripping a thing....more tire hop than anything. Actually thats the main reason I don't like the P-Zeros either (to be fair though, I have only tried the P-Zeros on Z/28s). I will also say that much of the time, I'm not driving far enough to warm up tires (3-10 miles at a time typically, maybe a couple times a day tops), but I am solely basing my experience with them on the longer drives I had done since the grocery trips to the store down the street dont really count to warm them up.
I won't get into tread wear, because yea, even small daily drives with no racing/burnouts/etc, half the tread is gone within the first 3-4k miles....I don't really count that because yea, they were trying to do a streetable track type tire.

Its interesting to see the responses in here, especially those that are completely opposite from my experience with the same tires being named in the thread.

[zx9rmal]

Originally Posted by HoodCheck

Really???? I mean, I've had the SC3s (on a previous regular ZL1 I had), and they are the absolute worst tire I have ever driven on, just horrible. I went to PS4S from them and they were SOOOO much better.

Horrible in what way? I live in S. Florida and they are horrible in heavy rain, if that's what you are referring to. Other than that, they are superb on the street for aggressive driving. I switched to PS4S's on my previous SS 1LE. They are great tires in the rain, handle great, and get WAY more mileage than the SC3's. But the SC3's are just a bit sharper/stickier on the street, which is why I stayed with them on my ZL1 when the originals wore out. I don't track, so nothing to say there.

[HoodCheck]

Originally Posted by zx9rmal

Horrible in what way? I live in S. Florida and they are horrible in heavy rain, if that's what you are referring to. Other than that, they are superb on the street for aggressive driving. I switched to PS4S's on my previous SS 1LE. They are great tires in the rain, handle great, and get WAY more mileage than the SC3's. But the SC3's are just a bit sharper/stickier on the street, which is why I stayed with them on my ZL1 when the originals wore out. I don't track, so nothing to say there.

Actually I say why right above your comment lol

Damn things hop like a rabbit running from a coyote; they would NEVER get any traction for me, ever. I'm not aggressive with my cars typically though honestly, so I'm talking just normal driving (well, normal driving for me...I do like the green light to come up, but I don't do burnouts).