[2SS Capt]

Originally Posted by He11bent

I respectfully disagree. The 65 lbs may show up in the 3rd decimal on sheet of paper but wont make any difference on the track.



However, Launch controls, front brake locks, steering ratios, mag ride suspension, performance shifting, downward force in turns, brembo braking; Those are tangible in a race and the LT1 would be at a disadvantage.



Bottom line, OP. Buy what you like, no one will judge you. You can research the additional performance equipment as you go up the line from the LT1, 1SS, 2SS, LT1, and ZL1. They are in that order for a reason.

THIS! 100%... 65 lbs means nothing on a 3,700 lbs car...

I laugh because people tout the 65 lbs less weight on the LT1 (on a 3,700 lbs car) which is only a 1.82% weight reduction... But Cold Air Inductions says their intakes adds 15 HP to the LT1 (which is a 3.3% increase) but everyone says that is completely imperceptible...

So...

A 2SS with the Cold Air Inductions intake would be 7.8638 lbs/HP...
An LT1 without the intake would be 7.9538 lbs/HP...

I think the weight difference or the intake difference would be imperceptible... Most of the weight of the SS is likely the larger wheels and tires in the rear, which gives it a lot more grip...

[LT1ornothing]

Originally Posted by He11bent

I respectfully disagree. The 65 lbs may show up in the 3rd decimal on sheet of paper but wont make any difference on the track.



However, Launch controls, front brake locks, steering ratios, mag ride suspension, performance shifting, downward force in turns, brembo braking; Those are tangible in a race and the LT1 would be at a disadvantage.



Bottom line, OP. Buy what you like, no one will judge you. You can research the additional performance equipment as you go up the line from the LT1, 1SS, 2SS, LT1, and ZL1. They are in that order for a reason.

Everything you mentioned in bold either does nothing for straight line performance or is a disadvantage for straight line performance.

Please read and attempt to comprehend THE ENTIRETY of what was previously written, your response indicates you comprehend nothing that was said.

[LT1ornothing]

Originally Posted by 2SS Capt

THIS! 100%... 65 lbs means nothing on a 3,700 lbs car...

I laugh because people tout the 65 lbs less weight on the LT1 (on a 3,700 lbs car) which is only a 1.82% weight reduction... But Cold Air Inductions says their intakes adds 15 HP to the LT1 (which is a 3.3% increase) but everyone says that is completely imperceptible...

So...

A 2SS with the Cold Air Inductions intake would be 7.8638 lbs/HP...
An LT1 without the intake would be 7.9538 lbs/HP...

I think the weight difference or the intake difference would be imperceptible... Most of the weight of the SS is likely the larger wheels and tires in the rear, which gives it a lot more grip...

Most of the weight is actually all the auxiliary coolers not present in the LT1, and the larger SS rear calipers and rear rotors, the SS spoiler etc. The wheels and tire weights are nearly identical, the back SS rims are 1 inch wider and same exact diameter.

Absolutely have no idea why a cold air intake is remotely relevant here.

[Wrecks24]

If you are going to daily the car, get the SS for all the gadgets. If you want a weekend hotrod, get the LT1.

[4sfed4]

If you want to lease (which many here may not do)....get the LT1. It will be significantly less expensive due to the lease structures of the LT1.

[laynlo15]

I had a 1ss originally, then went to a C7 and now back to a Camaro Lt1. I haven't weighed mine yet but picked it because of cost. Mine listed for almost 40k and I paid 36k and some change. I bought a set of SS rear wheels off ebay, took the run flats off and went with the 285 35 20 Nitto 555g2s and 245 40 20 G2s up front. My 1ss back in 16 ran 12.04@116, I don't know what this one will run yet but guessing low 12s again. We are lowering it with the Phastek springs which will make it more aero then it already is, short little spoiler in the rear. It is the RS version and has the 4 piston Brembo's up fornt and the little bitty brakes on the rear. Very stiff ride compared to my 1ss. It feels pretty fast but just don't think it will be as fast as my stock 1ss was. Its still a good value for the money. I still like the 16 ss front end much better the the 22.

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by fj5gtx

I'm considering buying a new Camaro... Have a few questions:

1. is the 1SS actually faster than the LT1? I'm seeing reports of 1/2 second 0-60 times faster with the 1SS. What makes that difference? Seems like same powertrain configuration and the LT1 is probably a little lighter. Doesn't seem to make sense.

2. Does the manual trans version include the cylinder deactivation feature? I'd like to avoid that feature.

3. Manual trans - I've seen a few reports of having issues with shifting and clutch on low mileage 1 year or newer cars. Is there something behind this, or just bad luck/hard use?

Q1: The SS is a tenth or two slower than the LT1 and the SS1LE is a tenth or two slower than the SS. I have drag raced my 2016 M6 SS about 50+ times ands my M6 LT1 about 25 times. However if you want to take your Camaro to a racetrack the SS is a better choice and the SS 1LE even better.

Q2: No.

Q3: The M6es and dual disk clutch in any current V8 Camaro is among the best in the world and is very reliable.

Here is a thread that points out all the differences between the LT1 and SS Models.
https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=577077

[FlukeSS]

@OP

Should look up "Nigerian Venom" on Youtube. He probably has one of the fastest NA LT1's I've seen so far. He is smoking everything in it in high way rolls. Short of obviously different cars.

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by He11bent

I respectfully disagree. The 65 lbs may show up in the 3rd decimal on sheet of paper but wont make any difference on the track.

We will disagree on that one. Each tenth is worth about a car length in the 1/4 mile.

It is a drivers race however.

Also an LT1 with tires can match an SS for a lap or two on a race track and handle equally as well. The SS 1LE is a big step up.

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by 2SS Capt

But Cold Air Inductions says their intakes adds 15 HP to the LT1 (which is a 3.3% increase) but everyone says that is completely imperceptible...

The CAI CAI from them or from GM does not add any power. It is a quality piece and looks and sounds good. The stock intake as ugly but it is flows well for a stocker.

The only CAI I know of that does not require a tune and adds power is the Rotofab dry which add 5 rwhp.

And I might add once you have enough seat time stock you will notice 15 rwhp. If you want to add 15 HP add an LT2 IM. I just wish it was not so tall. :( Want mine?

[2SS Capt]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

The CAI CAI from them or from GM does not add any power. It is a quality piece and looks and sounds good. The stock intake as ugly as it is flows well for a stocker.

The only CAI I know of that does not require a tune and adds power is the Rotofab dry which add 5 rwhp.

And I might add once you have enough seat time stock you will notice 15 rwhp. If you want to add 15 HP add an LT2 IM. I just wish it was not so tall. :(

https://www.coldairinductions.com/sh...-intake-black/

Originally Posted by Cold Air Inductions Website

2016-2022 GM 6.2L V8 Camaro Cold Air Intake (Textured Black) / 501-1100-B
$395.15

Maximize the performance of your Chevy Camaro SS with our high-performance 6.2L V8 Camaro cold air intake system for 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, and 2022 Chevy Camaros. Our intakes feature superior quality and craftsmanship while achieving outstanding performance gains. We have seen increases of up to 13 horsepower, with an average increase of 11 rear-wheel horsepower. The Cold Air Inductions air intake for the Camaro6 is one of the easiest and fastest ways to add more power.

[Rock-It Man]

I would suspect a tiny advantage for the SS because of wider and summer tires.

But which is appropriate for you? Depends on your expectations and your use of the car.

Personally, I would prefer a car with all season tires, but I'm not about to give up leather seats and other technology available in the 2SS.

[Carzzy]

According to the 2020 Camaro sales brochure (as there are no 2021 or 2022 brochures)....The LT1 and the SS have the same 0-60 times 4.3 seconds (manual transmission) and same 12.5 seconds 1/4 mile times at a 115 mph for the SS and 116 mph for the LT1.
Curb weight is 3619 lbs. for the manual LT1 Coupe and 3696 lbs. for the 2SS Coupe (1SS Coupe not listed and would be slightly lighter)
Top Speed for the SS Coupe is listed as 180 MPH and the LT1 is limited to 149 MPH.

[donniedarko]

My ex bought a 16’ 1SS and I just got a LT1.

With tech package and RS trim it’s better kitted then that SS.

The trans and tech make it a whole different car imo.

Also square vs staggered makes s difference. No tramlining and rear end breaks loose bit to much.

I geeked out removing stock non NPP exhaust for Borla s type and weight saving only 6lbs

Buying antigravity battery is smart diet but 900$ gives me pause.

I secured the LZ1 lease last February. 279$ month still can’t believe it.

Im a minimalist, dont like fluff. This car is perfect. Fits three short boards inside too. Legit surf mobile.