[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Pupilbone

The ebrake slide in the snow comment was a joke... but I appreciate the stern warning.

Ohhhh I’ve done it and enjoyed the fun. Just saying it’s not an event I might design. A car around.

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Zaqwert6

What's the final drive ratio in first gear? 500 RPM, think you be lucky if you hit 10-15-20 in those couple of tire rotations you'd be lucky to get trying to bump start that car yourself.

The gear ratios of M6 SS are tall, but not that tall. 1st gear redline hits about 50 MPH, so 1000 RPM equates to about 8 MPH. Not that high.

But I just remembered something. If you are that afraid of a dead battery, in a hurry and you hate to talk to people for help, you can buy those jump start battery packs online. That pretty much makes this a non-issue.

Originally Posted by 95 imp

Imagine what is going to happen to the world wide fleet when a really good solar flare hits us and wipes out the electronics....

It's like me telling you that you shouldn't drive because someone could crash into your tomorrow and the hit will be just at the right condition to make the gas tank explode(not that I wish that to happen to anyone, just to make it clear). It's entirely possible, however unlikely, so therefore you shouldn't do it.

There are likely worst case scenarios engineers consider, but considering the absolute worst case scenario is impossible and you just have to accept that risk, but realistically, it's just low enough to not concern many.

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[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by Zaqwert6

What's the final drive ratio in first gear? 500 RPM, think you be lucky if you hit 10-15-20 in those couple of tire rotations you'd be lucky to get trying to bump start that car yourself.

At idle, 850 RPM, you can do 5-7 MPH without stalling. Clutch starting in 2nd would actually provide a smoother engagement and eliminate driveline clatter. I’ve done both with my Accord for fun and it’s better out of 2nd.

I park backed in in my parking garage at work and on a nice hill. Just have to turn the wheel and I’m rolling down and can get up to 15 mph before I have to slow down at the end of the aisle.

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by 95 imp

I hate to say it, but there is no bump starting a car with a dead battery any more.

The engineers seem to be making these cars, whether by gov't mandate or from "market demand", that are totally idiot proof, self driving, and ridiculously overladen with electronics. Another 20 years and there will be no such thing as a human controlled auto. You hop in and it takes you. Just like a ride in an amusement park.

Imagine what is going to happen to the world wide fleet when a really good solar flare hits us and wipes out the electronics....

Remember the movie “Broken Arrow” with John Travolta, Christian Slater, and Howie Long? Cool movie. There’s a scene that’s actually very accurate to what would happen in real life. They’re in a mil-spec Humvee with all the GPS and other electronics in a modern military vehicle and they detonate a nuke underground. As the shockwave of the nuke approaches the Humvee Trovolta tells Long to turn off his electronic equipment...... NOW! Meanwhile a military helicopter chasing them doesn’t and their electronics go haywire and it crashes. Travolta gets all excited as it crashes.

[XAUSTD]

I didn't mind the electronic parking brake until the battery went down on my wife's CX-5 and I couldn't release it. I didn't have a jump pack and couldn't get another car beside hers in the garage to use my jumper cables and couldn't put it in neutral to push it out of the garage.

Ended up shoehorning my daughter's car in at an angle between the door frame and my wife's car just far enough for the cables to reach. I remember having to climb out of the passenger door to finish hooking things up. :/

Needless to say, I now own a jump pack.

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

Remember the movie “Broken Arrow” with John Travolta, Christian Slater, and Howie Long? Cool movie. There’s a scene that’s actually very accurate to what would happen in real life. They’re in a mil-spec Humvee with all the GPS and other electronics in a modern military vehicle and they detonate a nuke underground. As the shockwave of the nuke approaches the Humvee Trovolta tells Long to turn off his electronic equipment...... NOW! Meanwhile a military helicopter chasing them doesn’t and their electronics go haywire and it crashes. Travolta gets all excited as it crashes.

If there is a nuke blowing up near you(above ground or underground, doesn't matter), there are much, much bigger issues for you to worry about. And again, here we go in the extremely unlikely scenario for a civilian vehicle.

Really, anything that's a remotely modern civilian vehicle wouldn't work in that case.

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[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

If there is a nuke blowing up near you(above ground or underground, doesn't matter), there are much, much bigger issues for you to worry about. And again, here we go in the extremely unlikely scenario for a civilian vehicle.

Really, anything that's a remotely modern civilian vehicle wouldn't work in that case.

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Underground nuke explosion anywhere? Yes very unlikely.

Solar flare interruption? It’s already happened in reality many times. I work at a hospital - a solar flare disrupted our very HIGHLY secure patient monitoring network.

These rolling telecommunications data ports we call modern cars are more susceptible to that than you apparently believe.

Removing your OnStar telecom radio transceiver is not a bad idea.

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

Underground nuke explosion anywhere? Yes very unlikely.



Solar flare interruption? It’s already happened in reality many times. I work at a hospital - a solar flare disrupted our very HIGHLY secure patient monitoring network.



These rolling telecommunications data ports we call modern cars are more susceptible to that than you apparently believe.



Removing your OnStar telecom radio transceiver is not a bad idea.

Yeah, medical equipment is very suspectible to electromagnetic waves. That's why you see warnings about use of electronic devices near people with pacemakers. They are extremely precise because people's lives literally depend on it. Your average cellphone or car electronics are much less sensitive than medical devices.

I believe modern cars are more suspect to such things, but the fact is that it doesn't really matter. If anything(solar flare, underground nuke, Matrix style EMF, whatever) is serious enough to knock out civilian electronics, none of your average civilian vehicles would work unless you own something from the 60s and maybe 70s. All cars after that have computers to control something in the car. Without functional electronics, your fuel injectors won't work. No fuel, no moving car. It's as simple as that.

It's just a risk I accept, and in practice, it's so stupidly low that I don't waste my time creating a tinfoil hat.

I am actually subscribed to OnStar(well, it's on a pause right now as I drive my friend's car). It helped me out during a flat tire incident. And guess what, as unlikely as a flat tire is, it's still way, way more likely than a solar flare that can somehow go through the magnetic field of the Earth to screw up my car. And if it doesn't work, it doesn't interfere with anything else in the car, so why remove it?

And for anyone that screams the privacy argument:

1. Your smartphone listens to you already. Throw it out if you are that concerned.

2. This article pretty much explains everything that your average Joe needs to worry about:

https://askleo.com/youre-just-not-that-interesting/

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[95 imp]

Alright, after some research I will take back the solar flare/CME statement.
According to theory, chances are remote that it will affect smaller computer systems.

I knew it could (and does) affect the power grid. The last event of that nature appears to be 1989.

The last MAJOR event that scientist feel could destroy electronics was in 1859 and that type/intensity of CME is thought to be a 500 year event.

An EMP from a nuke is even more remote. It would have to be an airburst event to have any effect on electronics over a large area. Needless to say, if that happened it would start a worldwide nuclear exchange and your car would be the last thing you'd worry about.

All this doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer a mechanical e-brake

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by 95 imp

All this doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer a mechanical e-brake

There ya go, that's all I'm sayin

[95 imp]

While we are talking about auto electronics....

I came across this article today:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/snitches-...141849876.html

[zaimer]

Other than the difference in interior space (which doesn't really matter to me), I would take the old school parking brake. I hate having to wait/confirm that the brake has engaged or disengaged. It also makes the car seem more like an automatic IMO, the switch disconnects you from the car.

[Tara Martin]

Originally Posted by s346k

the question is: why didn't you buy a 1979 camaro? the camaros are so electronic laden its not even funny. your view on their purpose is skewed, just a touch. they aren't drivers cars, in your sense of definition, when they offer 5 levels of ptm, 4 different driving "modes" etc etc...etc. comparing chevrolet to lotus now? come on man.

I resemble that remark! I bought a 79 Z-28 in 1979 and still have it. I drive it on nice days to work when I rest my 17 ZL-1. Somehow, I adapt to the differences in these two eras of vehicles. On the 17, I use the e-brake every time I park. On the 79, I only use the e-brake when I jack it up to change a tire or do an oil change.

I went from a 13 SS to a 16 SS, then to a 17 ZL-1. I enjoy the extra space afforded because of the electronic e-brake, but I miss that handle on the console and the variability of the manual e-brake. Does that make sense? Electronic e-brake is on or off, the manual e-brake varies according to how hard you pull the handle.

Tara

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

And for anyone that screams the privacy argument:

Privacy should be mine to release, not something that - valid legal reasons aside - anybody else should be automatically entitled to or allowed to demand permission for (what EULAs really amount to).

1. Your smartphone listens to you already. Throw it out if you are that concerned.

Don't have one of those things to throw out. Got some little gadget that fits in my front pocket, flips open and has a 'talk to other people' app, though.


Norm