[HoodCheck]

Originally Posted by Bosse'sBoss

You are right the lap time at Laguna Seca for the '17 SS1LE is 1:37.77. It was just a typo from my side.

I figured

[pauly1119]

Originally Posted by Maro_89

See that’s the thing with the research I have done. It seems like you have to add more money into the Z28 because the LS7 heads may be a concern with it so if I were to get the car I would have to put money to change its heads and obviously the carbon ceramic brakes and rotors are more expensive to replace than the 6th gen ZL1s. Parts are harder to find for the Z28 and if you are able to find them I’m sure your gunna have to really fork over some coin for it.

The rotors are delicate and I would have to find a special shop for someone to work on it and know what they are doing if they were to take the wheels off. But if I really liked the car maybe I could manage all those things. It’s quite a decision to make and I have to wonder if it’s worth it. I know they both need to be tooken care of very well with a little more emphasis on the Z28 since it’s different.

I agree with all that but the Z28 will hold its value much better, with that being said I bought a ZLE. I did look at a few z28's but wanted the newer tech and power. I would love to have a z28 as well.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by HoodCheck

I actually didn't go drive the ZLE. I don't like the look of it. I think overall from a driving standpoint, I would've liked it better than the standard ZL1; but I would've had to ditch the ugly honda/subaru/<insert ricer brand here> aero (canards and spoiler namely). I nearly pulled the trigger on a ZLE (a 19 grey one, and was also looking at a blue '19). In the end, I just couldn't do that aero package.
The A10 is a SUPER nice transmission; I actually like it better than manual (manual gets old to me honestly). I didn't get bored from the auto, I just find the car itself boring and uncomfortable; its fast, but you don't really feel it as much. Some people like that, I don't. All in all, it just doesn't give me the butterflies to look at or drive. I haven't driven the thing in weeks; it just sits in the garage doing nothing....honestly, I don't even miss driving it at all. For me, all my purchase of it did is reaffirm to me that no matter whats under the hood (I have also owned a '16 2SS that I got rid of like 3 mos after I got it) it won't change the fact that I just can't "fall in love" with a 6th gen.

ENTIRELY agree that its going to be a matter of what the OP really likes/wants. I am typically in the minority about liking the 5th gens over the 6th gens, as can be seen in this thread

Don't get me wrong guys; the ZL1 is a nice car, just turned out to be not my cup of tea.
Anyone in FL who wants to chunk 49k my way (basically, paying it off from the lender), can take the it. I'll even keep the dark/smoked taillights on it, you can take the optima in it, and you can have the stock taillights (and battery), the cosmetic goodies I haven't installed yet (mosaic black spoiler, smoked rear reflectors, the mosaic black mirrors)...whatever I have for it (I think I also have some ZL1 mats for it).


@Fast02Z06 - Until a foot injury about 5 mos ago, I too was a nice lean 39 yr old who worked out for at least 2 hrs daily, with zero health problems, but it still bugs my back. Post injury, then pandemic, I've put some weight on lol (pizza and beer; WAY different than my normal diet). Once my foot heals I'll get back to it though.

While the ZLE is not my favorite looking car of all time, I still think it looks awesome (darker colors help it IMO) and I obviously wouldn't go nearly as far as you on that front. The biggest difference for me is that the aero is functional, albeit at a certain speed etc. The drive and capability of it though more than makes for any misgivings I may have had about the boy racer looks.

I know the A10 is awesome and so are DCTs I've had in the past. That is probably the most personal part of driving a car for me. I don't care how awesome any automatic/DCT/PDK transmission is, I still love my manuals and that engagement/feeling can't be replaced by an auto for me.

Bottom line is, these are emotional purchases and what works for one, doesn't work for another.

Hope you heal up soon. I did a triathlon 2 years ago and have since gained 20 or so pounds since then. I 'm trying to get back into training and am having a hard time doing it. Unfortunately, I don't have any good reason like an injury not to, just been really lazy/unmotivated.

[Fast02Z06]

Originally Posted by HoodCheck

I actually didn't go drive the ZLE. I don't like the look of it. I think overall from a driving standpoint, I would've liked it better than the standard ZL1; but I would've had to ditch the ugly honda/subaru/<insert ricer brand here> aero (canards and spoiler namely). I nearly pulled the trigger on a ZLE (a 19 grey one, and was also looking at a blue '19). In the end, I just couldn't do that aero package.
The A10 is a SUPER nice transmission; I actually like it better than manual (manual gets old to me honestly). I didn't get bored from the auto, I just find the car itself boring and uncomfortable; its fast, but you don't really feel it as much. Some people like that, I don't. All in all, it just doesn't give me the butterflies to look at or drive. I haven't driven the thing in weeks; it just sits in the garage doing nothing....honestly, I don't even miss driving it at all. For me, all my purchase of it did is reaffirm to me that no matter whats under the hood (I have also owned a '16 2SS that I got rid of like 3 mos after I got it) it won't change the fact that I just can't "fall in love" with a 6th gen.

ENTIRELY agree that its going to be a matter of what the OP really likes/wants. I am typically in the minority about liking the 5th gens over the 6th gens, as can be seen in this thread

Don't get me wrong guys; the ZL1 is a nice car, just turned out to be not my cup of tea.
Anyone in FL who wants to chunk 49k my way (basically, paying it off from the lender), can take the it. I'll even keep the dark/smoked taillights on it, you can take the optima in it, and you can have the stock taillights (and battery), the cosmetic goodies I haven't installed yet (mosaic black spoiler, smoked rear reflectors, the mosaic black mirrors)...whatever I have for it (I think I also have some ZL1 mats for it).


@Fast02Z06 - Until a foot injury about 5 mos ago, I too was a nice lean 39 yr old who worked out for at least 2 hrs daily, with zero health problems, but it still bugs my back. Post injury, then pandemic, I've put some weight on lol (pizza and beer; WAY different than my normal diet). Once my foot heals I'll get back to it though.

Man I feel your pain abt not being in the gym 😞. I’m down in weight and probably sitting around 13-14% bf from 9% a month ago. Being out of the gym sucks big time. My bench is going to be in the negatives when I’m back at it again. Get better bro, muscle memory is a great thing so you’ll bounce back in no time, just don’t rush a recovery.

[HoodCheck]

Originally Posted by minn19

While the ZLE is not my favorite looking car of all time, I still think it looks awesome (darker colors help it IMO) and I obviously wouldn't go nearly as far as you on that front. The biggest difference for me is that the aero is functional, albeit at a certain speed etc. The drive and capability of it though more than makes for any misgivings I may have had about the boy racer looks.

I know the A10 is awesome and so are DCTs I've had in the past. That is probably the most personal part of driving a car for me. I don't care how awesome any automatic/DCT/PDK transmission is, I still love my manuals and that engagement/feeling can't be replaced by an auto for me.

Bottom line is, these are emotional purchases and what works for one, doesn't work for another.

Hope you heal up soon. I did a triathlon 2 years ago and have since gained 20 or so pounds since then. I 'm trying to get back into training and am having a hard time doing it. Unfortunately, I don't have any good reason like an injury not to, just been really lazy/unmotivated.

Agree on all parts w/ your statement

[kramard]

Originally Posted by Maro_89

Hey guys I’m looking into either a 5th gen Z28 or 6th gen ZL1. I’m interested in the Z28 but that ZL1 is pretty nice looking and tempting since I’ve seen some prices that are only a few grand more than the Z28. I know that they are both completely different cars in a way but I’m not sure which I would like in the long run. I can only go by first impressions when I saw and drove them both a while ago on different occasions. They both look awesome in their ways. I love the rawness and muscle car look of the Z28 and that it is rare and the ZL1 looks pretty nice and refined as well as the interior. I would use either one as a daily and I don’t mind the limited interior features in the Z28 because I’m more into enjoying how the car drives and I’m fine with how it rides on the street since it didn’t feel all that harsh to me.

What gets me is the ZL1 has 650 HP and I’m attracted to that kind of power versus the 505 in the Z28. I’m not sure if the ZL1 is a raw driving car like the Z28 though, but perhaps I guess I could always mod the Z28 to be faster if I wanted too. I have never added performance mods to a car so that would be a whole new experience for me and I’m not sure if it’s worth doing so or save up the extra money that would have been used for performance mods to go into the Z28 towards the ZL1 since it’s faster out of the box. I wonder if any of you have previously owned a Z28 before you got your ZL1 or if you have both and could fill me in on your thoughts and opinions. I know it would be my decision at the end of the day but would love to hear what you guys would say. Thank you all in advance!

I've have/had both. If its z/28 or zl1 I recommend the z/28. I'd cross shop the zle tho. The z/28 looks cooler, has more theater and has more character that is accessible on the street. Zle leaves the z/28 for dead on creature comforts and refinement. With the right tires and you can daily either.

On track or above 3rd the zle/1 will crush the z/28. Front and rear axle much stronger and more overall balance. Z/28 drifts easier but zl1 crushes z/28 in every other regard on track.

Good luck with your choice! All three are greats cars. I wrote a track oriented review and comparison with the z/28 last year and posted on here. Should help you a lot if interested in the performance side of things

[Maro_89]

Originally Posted by BoilerKB

Tires, chassis, suspension, brakes...that has more to do with making a car go fast around a track vs raw horsepower. All those things are better (maybe not tires) with the Alpha platform 6th gen.

To me, and I'm no one except a guy who just bought a new ZL1, it comes down to: How comfortable do you feel in each car, both when you're driving it aggressively and those days where you just want to cruise? You're going to be driving it every day so you'd better be comfortable in it. This, to me, is by far the most important question. I drove a manual car daily for 3 years in ATL and in the end, it got to be work and not fun. This is why I have my ZL1 for a daily, and my WS6 6-speed for days when I want to wring something out.

I also think, given your questions and responses and like a few have said, a ZL1 1LE could be your sweet spot.

True about the comfort thing definitely agree and the ZLE could be that sweet spot but I wish the price was though. It’s a bit out of reach for now might have to wait a little while longer for that one.

[Maro_89]

Originally Posted by Fast02Z06

Man I feel your pain abt not being in the gym 😞. I’m down in weight and probably sitting around 13-14% bf from 9% a month ago. Being out of the gym sucks big time. My bench is going to be in the negatives when I’m back at it again. Get better bro, muscle memory is a great thing so you’ll bounce back in no time, just don’t rush a recovery.

I hear ya guys with this whole shutdown due to the virus. Fellow gym rat here myself and I’m gunna miss the powerlifting and bodybuilding equipment in my gym. I’m fortunate enough to have weights and some equipment at home to work with. What really sucks is that I was looking forward to doing a show sometime this year but they all have been cancelled. But yea man 13-14% bf is still lean and at a healthy athletic body fat percent range, but that 9% body fat range is a nice striated look for sure!

[Maro_89]

Originally Posted by Fast02Z06

I drove my Zl1 (2018 manual) to lake Havasu from Houston last week and had the choice of driving my Z/28 (ac). It was a 1.5 day drive and imho the zl1 was extremely comfortable and I did not experience any pain, aches, etc. Take into account I’m 34 and athletic (lean) so that might play a part to a degree but I would not consider taking the z/28 on that kinda journey although it’s very reliable and fun. In touring mode it’s not as comfortable as the Zl1, the ride harshness, and bone jarring stiff suspension is not intended for long drives (again imho). Mine is heads/cam/headers/etc so it’s extremely close power wise to my Zl1. If anybody wants to see some combat between the 2 pm me and I’ll send the link but won’t post it here since it’s filmed in Mexico and some of the haters will have an aneurysm.

Hmm seems like the Z28 is not tolerable for long drives. I remember the test drive when I was in it. It didn’t seem all that bad but I take your word for it besides it’s not like I had enough seat time to really get the feel for it on a long drive. Sent you a PM about the link my man.

[HoodCheck]

Originally Posted by Markoz28

So is the feel and simplicity of the Z28 what you like?

A regular ZL1 would kill the Z28 in any speed comparison, so I’m just trying to figure out what you like more about it?

@Marko28; just saw your question. Yes, simplicity, the feel, to me its more comfortable (and I actually like the interior better), and the rarity factor. Plus it just looks bad ass. I consider the 6th gens to be a bit strange looking, and not even really having the typical character of a camaro. They lost the tradition, whereas the 5th gen retains the classic camaro looks.

Tbh, I'm not too worried about the speed. 4 sec 0-60 and low 12s is decent enough for me. The ZL1 will definitely out gun it, but then again, so will 18-20k other ZL1s I might end up with both, but I honestly don't think I would drive the ZL1 once I get another Z/28. It will rot away in the driveway not getting touched, but taking up car payments and driveway space. The irony there being I am starting to see 6th gen ZL1s for cheaper than the Z/28; they are tanking, while the Z/28 is still sitting pretty, and even going up in cost for the real low mileage ones (only 13 for sale in the country right now though; 14 listed that I found in total, but 1 I already know is sold, because I called to buy it, but its still listed).

[Maro_89]

Originally Posted by kramard

I've have/had both. If its z/28 or zl1 I recommend the z/28. I'd cross shop the zle tho. The z/28 looks cooler, has more theater and has more character that is accessible on the street. Zle leaves the z/28 for dead on creature comforts and refinement. With the right tires and you can daily either.

On track or above 3rd the zle/1 will crush the z/28. Front and rear axle much stronger and more overall balance. Z/28 drifts easier but zl1 crushes z/28 in every other regard on track.

Good luck with your choice! All three are greats cars. I wrote a track oriented review and comparison with the z/28 last year and posted on here. Should help you a lot if interested in the performance side of things

Yea sure interested to hear about your review if you care to share. Also when you said the Z28 has more theater and character do you mean the car is more entertaining to drive than the ZL1?

[HoodCheck]

Originally Posted by Maro_89

Hmm seems like the Z28 is not tolerable for long drives. I remember the test drive when I was in it. It didn’t seem all that bad but I take your word for it besides it’s not like I had enough seat time to really get the feel for it on a long drive. Sent you a PM about the link my man.

That will be in the eye of the beholder I think. I've driven the Z/28 for about 7 hrs straight (gas stops not withstanding) without ever thinking its uncomfortable, not even once. Absolutely loved every second of the drive (I have 6 kids, so its extremely abnormal for me to get time to actually drive my cars, especially like that).
I would not even attempt that in the ZL1 since the seats bug me and make it uncomfortable (if they could lean back just a few inches more, I'd probably find it more comfortable). I will never get how people find them more comfortable lol.

[Maro_89]

Originally Posted by HoodCheck

@Marko28; just saw your question. Yes, simplicity, the feel, to me its more comfortable (and I actually like the interior better), and the rarity factor. Plus it just looks bad ass. I consider the 6th gens to be a bit strange looking, and not even really having the typical character of a camaro. They lost the tradition, whereas the 5th gen retains the classic camaro looks.

Tbh, I'm not too worried about the speed. 4 sec 0-60 and low 12s is decent enough for me. The ZL1 will definitely out gun it, but then again, so will 18-20k other ZL1s I might end up with both, but I honestly don't think I would drive the ZL1 once I get another Z/28. It will rot away in the driveway not getting touched, but taking up car payments and driveway space. The irony there being I am starting to see 6th gen ZL1s for cheaper than the Z/28; they are tanking, while the Z/28 is still sitting pretty, and even going up in cost for the real low mileage ones (only 13 for sale in the country right now though; 14 listed that I found in total, but 1 I already know is sold, because I called to buy it, but its still listed).

I hear ya about the 6th gen look although they are still great cars. I feel like the only exception for me would be the 6th gen ZL1 if I went 6th gen or even better a ZLE if the price was right. I remember renting a 2019 2ss at one point for a week to see what it was like and it wasn’t bad and the LT1 pulled pretty nicely for what it was and the interior lighting is pretty nice too especially on the side doors. I’m not too crazy on how the 19s look and it just didn’t have that muscle sound that I like.

I went to see a 2018 6th gen ss 1LE one time and it seemed pretty small inside and out and I like a bigger car personally. Later that day I went to see another 5th gen Z28 (on a different occasion) and was in awe on that raw badass muscle car look that it has. It really made me think about it all night. I wasn’t able to purchase it because someone already put a down payment on it but I was at least able to sit in it and start it up when the salesman lend me the keys and I could automatically feel its pure raw energy just sitting in the car listening to it idle. But the 6th gen ZL1 is a beauty as well and is a bigger and roomier car than the 6th gen ss 1LE.

[HoodCheck]

Originally Posted by Maro_89

I hear ya about the 6th gen look although they are still great cars. I feel like the only exception for me would be the 6th gen ZL1 if I went 6th gen or even better a ZLE if the price was right. I remember renting a 2019 2ss at one point for a week to see what it was like and it wasn’t bad and the LT1 pulled pretty nicely for what it was and the interior lighting is pretty nice too especially on the side doors. I’m not too crazy on how the 19s look and it just didn’t have that muscle sound that I like.

I went to see a 2018 6th gen ss 1LE one time and it seemed pretty small inside and out and I like a bigger car personally. Later that day I went to see another 5th gen Z28 (on a different occasion) and was in awe on that raw badass muscle car look that it has. It really made me think about it all night. I wasn’t able to purchase it because someone already put a down payment on it but I was at least able to sit in it and start it up when the salesman lend me the keys and I could automatically feel its pure raw energy just sitting in the car listening to it idle. But the 6th gen ZL1 is a beauty as well and is a bigger and roomier car than the 6th gen ss 1LE.

The interior in the 6th gens is the same between models afaik. The 2019-2020s actually lose a tiny bit of interior space, and gain a tiny bit of exterior size. These are the 2018 breakdowns--

SS: https://media.gm.com/media/us/en/che...2018.tab1.html

ZL1: https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us...2018.tab1.html