GT500 CFP vs ZL1 1LE A10 - good read ! - Page 24

RobbyBeefcake87 · 02-04-2020, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hotlap

Lol. My daily prior to the Alpha Camaro was also a GTO. Huge opening but no trunk volume.

Mustang is better truck utility but only marginally. Shaffe doesn’t daily one so it must not have made the difference in the end

Yea there's mustangs in my family so I'm very familiar with them, and they have marginally better and more usuable trunks lol... the c7 in some ways is better, but not in ultimate storage capabilities ofcourse.

ZRacerLE · 02-04-2020, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

I agree with trunk space on the camaro, definately leaves alot to be desired specifically the trunk opening.

But you learn to get creative. You've be surprised what I've been able to stuff in there, I even put a power wheels in the box in there for Christmas lol. Comoared to my gto, this trunk is huge.

Guys,

If you put stuff in the trunk, the weight goes up and lap times go up. Please don't do this.

ZRacerLE

shaffe · 02-05-2020, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by hotlap

Lol. My daily prior to the Alpha Camaro was also a GTO. Huge opening but no trunk volume.

Mustang is better truck utility but only marginally. Shaffe doesn’t daily one so it must not have made the difference in the end

I used to. Daily drove Mustangs from late 03 to October of 2011. So 8 years of daily driven mustang for me. Got rid of the 2007 GT when I moved and my commute went from about a 20 mile round trip commute to over 60. With the 4.10s and other mods I had I was already filling it up every 4-5 days with my short commute. I would have been filling up almost every 2.5-3 days and that was when gas was creeping up to almost $4 a gallon for 87. Had to get rid of it for something more efficient. I simply couldn't afford to keep driving it anymore. Got married after that, had a few years of really tight budgeting, bought a house, wife had a baby.

Focus died on me unexpectedly which put me in a bind needing to find a vehicle that weekend. So when a new car is not in the budget/plan at the time you don't have a ton of choices. Mazda had the best lease going on at the time so thats the route I went.

So that is why I don't daily one right now. I want to get back into it when the lease on the Mazda is up.

minn19 · 02-05-2020, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

Guys,

If you put stuff in the trunk, the weight goes up and lap times go up. Please don't do this.

ZRacerLE

vtirocz · 02-12-2020, 09:55 AM

The full comparison test is now posted with a winner selected, but I still don't see lap times.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-car-showdown/

shaffe · 02-12-2020, 10:29 AM

And nnless I missed it they didn't post any numbers for the RE at all.

Laststandard · 02-12-2020, 10:32 AM

Gonna be interesting seeing M6G implode over that verdict.

hotlap · 02-12-2020, 10:40 AM

Alpha isn't an opinion or preference. It is documented as being that good every time its reviewed. Chevy didn't cut corners on performance. If it has has a V8, or 1LE badge, it is built to compete.

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Our affection for the current-generation Camaro is well documented. It has the finest-handling, best-steering chassis ever shoved under a pony car. It is a machine of great precision and trustworthiness. Carrying the least weight...

oldman · 02-12-2020, 10:47 AM

What really gets on my nerves is the Ford's pretend MSRP, IMO if you can't buy it for "MSRP" EVER... then that is not the price of the vehicle. PERIOD. One would think hey the GT500 base ain't that bad... and really it ain't that bad of a price, but in reality we know the you can have a ZL1, a truck and trailer too for the true out the door price of a base, and carbon stuff, heck you can make that a nice diesel truck. Sorry but Ford has treated me and others as second class citizens. Can't talk to you unless you are willing to get rapped. Well no thanks GM will take my money and give me a huge discount off MSRP and GM credit union finance is super good too...

shaffe · 02-12-2020, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by hotlap

Alpha isn't an opinion or preference. It is documented as being that good every time its reviewed. Chevy didn't cut corners on performance. If it has has a V8, or 1LE badge, it is built to compete.

I really don't know how people continue to try and say alpha isn't a superior chassis.

joe944 · 02-12-2020, 10:53 AM

That's what I did. I could have easily afforded one car costing over 100k. Originally I was looking at optioned out m3's and 911's. Went for the ZL1 and a truck instead.

minn19 · 02-12-2020, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Laststandard

Gonna be interesting seeing M6G implode over that verdict.

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Originally Posted by hotlap

Alpha isn't an opinion or preference. It is documented as being that good every time its reviewed. Chevy didn't cut corners on performance. If it has has a V8, or 1LE badge, it is built to compete.

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Originally Posted by oldman

What really gets on my nerves is the Ford's pretend MSRP, IMO if you can't buy it for "MSRP" EVER... then that is not the price of the vehicle. PERIOD. One would think hey the GT500 base ain't that bad... and really it ain't that bad of a price, but in reality we know the you can have a ZL1, a truck and trailer too for the true out the door price of a base, and carbon stuff, heck you can make that a nice diesel truck. Sorry but Ford has treated me and others as second class citizens. Can't talk to you unless you are willing to get rapped. Well no thanks GM will take my money and give me a huge discount off MSRP and GM credit union finance is super good too...

Agreed with all of the above.

Laststandard · 02-12-2020, 11:34 AM

The CFTP just seems like a pure money grab by Ford. 18k for some carbon wheels and tires? They should have just called it the Carbon Fiber Pack and left the track out of the name.

I'm glad GM gave the ZLE a proper track package. Hell, I wish the SS 1LE had the DSSV dampers and the aggressive spring rate.

hotlap · 02-12-2020, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by shaffe

I really don't know how people continue to try and say alpha isn't a superior chassis.

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Originally Posted by minn19

Agreed with all of the above.

The opening statement in the Track Preparation guide tells you everything you need to know about how your Camaro was designed and tested.

A sanctioned racing event would void the warranty but they straight out say it will handle it.

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The 2018 Camaro SS Coupe, Camaro V6 1LE, Camaro V8 1LE, Camaro ZL1 and the extreme Camaro ZL1 1LE have been build for track performance in sanctioned events...

This car is so confident that its a joy to drive. The best that this level of money can buy.

Ford cuts corners and every car comes with some sort of excuse or *. GM isn't perfect but Chevy Performance gives 100%

02-12-2020, 09:55 AM	#327
vtirocz Drives: 2017 Camaro 1SS M6 Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Indy Posts: 2,460	The full comparison test is now posted with a winner selected, but I still don't see lap times. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-car-showdown/ __________________ 2017 Camaro 1SS, M6, Hurst shifter, Hyper Blue, NPP, Gray Split Spoke Wheels Best 1/4 Mile: 12.24 @ 115.9 mph

02-12-2020, 10:32 AM	#329
Laststandard Drives: 2018 1SS 1LE Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 428	Gonna be interesting seeing M6G implode over that verdict. __________________ 2018 1SS 1LE (sold)

02-12-2020, 10:47 AM	#331
oldman Drives: SS 6 speed of course Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Hilo, HI Posts: 4,346	What really gets on my nerves is the Ford's pretend MSRP, IMO if you can't buy it for "MSRP" EVER... then that is not the price of the vehicle. PERIOD. One would think hey the GT500 base ain't that bad... and really it ain't that bad of a price, but in reality we know the you can have a ZL1, a truck and trailer too for the true out the door price of a base, and carbon stuff, heck you can make that a nice diesel truck. Sorry but Ford has treated me and others as second class citizens. Can't talk to you unless you are willing to get rapped. Well no thanks GM will take my money and give me a huge discount off MSRP and GM credit union finance is super good too... __________________ Forged short block, large duration sub .600 lift Cam Motion cam, 7200 RPM fuel cut, Pray Ported Heads, 3.85 pulley D1X, stage II intercooler, DSX secondary low side, DSX E85 sensor, Lingenfelter big bore 2.0 pump, ported front cats, 60608 Borla, LT4 injectors, ZL1 1LE driveshaft and Katech ported TB, ported MSD intake, BTR valvetrain, ARP studs, ProFlow valves, PS4 tires.

02-12-2020, 11:34 AM	#335
Laststandard Drives: 2018 1SS 1LE Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 428	The CFTP just seems like a pure money grab by Ford. 18k for some carbon wheels and tires? They should have just called it the Carbon Fiber Pack and left the track out of the name. I'm glad GM gave the ZLE a proper track package. Hell, I wish the SS 1LE had the DSSV dampers and the aggressive spring rate. __________________ 2018 1SS 1LE (sold)

02-12-2020, 10:53 AM	#333
joe944 Drives: 18' A10 ZL1 , 18' F150, 04' MSM Join Date: May 2018 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 178	That's what I did. I could have easily afforded one car costing over 100k. Originally I was looking at optioned out m3's and 911's. Went for the ZL1 and a truck instead.

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