[minn19]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Ford has been doing this for decades now. Back in the 90s the GT was barely a match for the Z28. In fact, I'd wager a Prelude could embarrass a GT back then. In the early 2000s even a Civic or Accord, if optioned properly, could whup a GT. Which is just sad. However Ford gave special treatment to the Cobras. If you wanted any chance of beating a Z28 you'd either need to supercharge a GT or get the Cobra. And in both cases a top end kit on the Z28 would still beat them.

They did. You just have to spend $75K or $94K plus markups...

Like I said, that is good, but they certainly didn’t do that for the GT350s and those obviously weren’t cheap. I never could imagine paying the money some did for a GT350R and then get the shitty build quality etc. It was bad enough at 60ish k.

They are such a weird company. The do some really cool things and take chances on products, but don’t totally follow through on the product. Then they send you a nice owners packet with their special cars and of course the Track Attack program. Then you have a problem and it is crickets, rudeness no calls back forever etc etc. Very very odd experience for me at least.

Point being is that they’ve been building cars forever and you would think buy now certain easily fixable build quality issues would be thing long in the past. Especially with robots and the precision tooling etc etc.

[Laststandard]

I tried to bring up the point over on M6G that while it's great the Ford seems to have finally sorted the S550 chassis with the newest GT350 and GT500, it's a shame they haven't applied those fixes down the line to the standard GT. The general consensus from them seemed to be 'well if you want to best one you have to pay for it'..

I'm glad I could spend 40k on an SS 1LE and get the same incredible chassis as the ZLE.

[ZRacerLE]

Originally Posted by Laststandard

I tried to bring up the point over on M6G that while it's great the Ford seems to have finally sorted the S550 chassis with the newest GT350 and GT500, it's a shame they haven't applied those fixes down the line to the standard GT. The general consensus from them seemed to be 'well if you want to best one you have to pay for it'..

I'm glad I could spend 40k on an SS 1LE and get the same incredible chassis as the ZLE.

I'm amazed at the performance bargain every one of the 1le's are. Tempted to go pick up a turbo or v6 to daily drive...

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Laststandard

I tried to bring up the point over on M6G that while it's great the Ford seems to have finally sorted the S550 chassis with the newest GT350 and GT500, it's a shame they haven't applied those fixes down the line to the standard GT. The general consensus from them seemed to be 'well if you want to best one you have to pay for it'..

I'm glad I could spend 40k on an SS 1LE and get the same incredible chassis as the ZLE.

The situation with Camaro is even better than that!

The SS is fully track capably and is warrantied for that the same as the 1LE's and ZL1.

1SS starting MSRP is $37,995 with the following standard features
- 6.2L 455 hp / 455 lb-ft, 8.1 lbs/hp
- Tremec 6-speed manual transmission with Active Rev Matching
- Brembo brakes with four-piston front and rear calipers with cooling ducts
- Heavy duty auxiliary engine cooling
- Transmission and differential coolers
- 20-inch wheels with Eagle F1 Asymmetric 3 run-flat summer-only tires
- Alpha platform. Exceptional chassis strength and rigidity

[ZRacerLE]

Originally Posted by hotlap

The situation with Camaro is even better than that!

The SS is full track capably and is warrantied for that the same as the 1LE's and ZL1.

1SS starting MSRP is $37,995 with the following standard features
- 6.2L 455 hp / 455 lb-ft, 8.1 lbs/hp
- Tremec 6-speed manual transmission with Active Rev Matching
- Brembo brakes with four-piston front and rear calipers with cooling ducts
- Heavy duty auxiliary engine cooling
- Transmission and differential coolers
- 20-inch wheels with Eagle F1 Asymmetric 3 run-flat summer-only tires
- Alpha platform. Exceptional chassis strength and rigidity

Just ridiculous what you get for the money

[joe944]

Originally Posted by Laststandard

I'm glad I could spend 40k on an SS 1LE and get the same incredible chassis as the ZLE.

Technically it's the same chassis as the ZL1, not the ZLE.

[Laststandard]

Originally Posted by joe944

Technically it's the same chassis as the ZL1, not the ZLE.

In terms of suspension geometry and steering, things like that, it's the same across the board as far as I know.

IIRC, the Shelby cars have a revised front knuckle and power steering. Things that Ford could easily bring to the rest of the lineup but hasn't.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

Just ridiculous what you get for the money

The V8 and 1LE trio really are insane values to the performance enthusiast. All that standard content! Tremec, coolers, Brembo, performance tires...

The commitment from Chevy Performance is unquestionable IMO and starts with these two guys

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

I'm amazed at the performance bargain every one of the 1le's are. Tempted to go pick up a turbo or v6 to daily drive...

Get the V6 6 speed manual over the crappy sounding turbo four. I put 10k miles on my 2016 v6 manual, loved every mile.

[ZRacerLE]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

Get the V6 6 speed manual over the crappy sounding turbo four. I put 10k miles on my 2016 v6 manual, loved every mile.

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...storical-data/

#118... are you kidding me with the cars it beat?!

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...storical-data/

#118... are you kidding me with the cars it beat?!

Referring to a daily driver, the V6 is just a better overall package. Even a V6 1LE anytime over a 4 banger.

Anyone obsessed over a V8 sound and feel, cannot live with a 4 cyl. A V6 makes it very liveable.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by Laststandard

I tried to bring up the point over on M6G that while it's great the Ford seems to have finally sorted the S550 chassis with the newest GT350 and GT500, it's a shame they haven't applied those fixes down the line to the standard GT. The general consensus from them seemed to be 'well if you want to best one you have to pay for it'..

I'm glad I could spend 40k on an SS 1LE and get the same incredible chassis as the ZLE.

This is why Ford will continue to offer sub par products. When the fanboys dont care, the ones who are supposed to be enthusiasts, then nobody else will.

[ZRacerLE]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

Referring to a daily driver, the V6 is just a better overall package. Even a V6 1LE anytime over a 4 banger.

Anyone obsessed over a V8 sound and feel, cannot live with a 4 cyl. A V6 makes it very liveable.

I think my ZR2 engine is basically the same engine and doesn't sound bad when you get on it.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

I think my ZR2 engine is basically the same engine and doesn't sound bad when you get on it.

Are you referring to a colorado ZR2 with the V6 ? I think that 3.6 is not the same high content camaro V6 as it has less horsepower like the impala with 305 horse and some other editions with 310 horse versus the 335 horse in the 6th gen camaro.