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12-23-2019, 02:45 PM | #5588 | |
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12-23-2019, 02:49 PM | #5589 | |
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12-23-2019, 02:50 PM | #5590 | |
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12-23-2019, 02:53 PM | #5591 | |
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The interesting thing in all of this.... in all the time that we provided intel to Camaro and Corvette teams, the one they were least interested in was.....Challenger.
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12-23-2019, 03:02 PM | #5592 |
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I guess they dropped the ball then because with Challenger eating Chevy's lunch and outselling their new Camaro with huge numbers they have painted themselves into the corner.
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12-23-2019, 03:13 PM | #5593 | |
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The GN hurt a lot of feelings at Pontiac and Chevrolet. When I got my first Vette, a friend had a GN. His "stock" went up in the eyes of management. I got the side-eye. Which was an improvement from the times I used to show up to work in a Mustang I eventually bought a Skyhawk and left the Mustangs at home. Then all was well with the world, but I digress. When I started at Buick, Lloyd Reuss (Mark's dad) was Chief Engineer of Buick. He had a secret project going to develop a 2-seat sports car for Buick. Very hush-hush project. When he left to become Chief Engineer at Chevrolet, the plans got shelved. Then he came back as General Manager of Buick and the plans were dusted off and the Buick Reatta was born. Those were very interesting times.
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12-23-2019, 03:38 PM | #5594 | |
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While in college, I was worked part-time for a market research firm and was involved with a focus group with a very early display prototype of the Reatta. IIRC, the focus group was mostly directed towards the name of the vehicle. "Sports Car" is definitely a stretch when applied to the Reatta, even for the late 80s... |
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12-24-2019, 06:49 AM | #5595 |
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Dodge Challenger and Charger continue to be heavy pork weight straight line only racers, very unstable and heavy cars for the curves. Unless Dodge is willing to apply their Viper's ACR tech and reduce weight of their cars.
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12-24-2019, 08:12 AM | #5597 |
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There have been some noise about a an ACR Challenger that could be introduced for next year but it would be on the same platform, Ralph Gilles just sold his Demon and said something bigger was coming to take it's place.
The size of the Challenger/Charger is what draws people to them that and large selection of engines as well, and now with the Mustang close to or over 4k the weight of the Challenger does not seem out of line. I park my Challenger beside my 80 Cutlass and the size of both is very comparable, the Cutlass has a full frame and thicker steel and weighs in at 3900lbs, current tech and regs adds a huge amount of weight to these new cars, the only way to get down is to make everything smaller or add huge cost to go to much lighter alloys
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12-24-2019, 08:44 AM | #5598 |
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I also would rather have a Camaro, but for 90% of the way these cars are really driven , the Mopars certainly generate more interest and have a bigger following. Camaro screwed up with 6th gen primarily because no immediate visual difference compared to the 5th gen, and did not address the high belt line. The 6th gen is way better than the 5th, but no one cared and you could not see it.
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12-24-2019, 09:24 AM | #5599 | |
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https://www.automobile-catalog.com/auta_details1.php https://www.nadaguides.com/Cars/2010...e-2D-R-T/Specs Had a Hellcat in my garage while my professional detailer was doing paint corrections and ceramic coating to it - footprint was longer and wider than our 2014 ML350 we owned at that time. Loved the car, sounded amazing starting in a garage. They ride incredibly smooth due to the weight, and offer the most room being the largest of the 3 "pony" cars. As you stated earlier - GM and Ford should be paying close attention to the Challenger's success. It is painfully obvious that HP and straight line racing matters more for sales than anything else in the market. I am not strictly a drag racer, so I am in the smaller percentage who prefers cars that are lighter and handle well.
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12-24-2019, 09:33 AM | #5600 |
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I had my 80 Cutlass weigh in on a truck scale we had in my town with tank of gas and a 6.6L 200R4 trans full Dual Exhaust that was the weight, my friend with an 84 Hurst Olds 5.0L was 3700 or so, not sure how they say that it is 3400.
I did look up an 80 Cutlass with the 5.7L Diesel engine I guess dry weight would be 3550lbs so mine would be close to that plus fuel I guess. Curb weight on my Challenger is 4000lbs so I woulld say max is 500lbs vs Curb weight
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