12-23-2019, 11:58 AM | #5573 |
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Martinjlm on Camaro6 is the equivalent of having Jesus show up at your bible study. Pull up a chair, be quiet and listen.
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12-23-2019, 12:07 PM | #5574 | |
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And the point of my comment was that these days just beating a Corvette or simply getting compared to a Vette, ANY Vette, is an achievement. Your last sentence proves it. "the fact that many reviews say it can compete with the likes of a Porsche or Corvette is a testament of how good these pony cars have become, or how the once huge gap between the two has disappeared." It is a 760 HP supercharged $75K Mustang being compared to a 495 HP NA $65K Corvette and you think that is something to brag about. Let me put it this way. It is the only Mustang that is capable of beating the bottom of the barrel Corvette at anything and it still lost at 3 out of 4 comparisons. You're sitting here trying to make it sound like just any Mustang is competing against Corvettes. What would happen if we put the 526 HP NA GT350R with a $75K MSRP price tag up against the 495 HP C8 Z51 with a $65K MSRP price tag? I mean, since Mustangs are competing with COrvettes now, is this a fair comparison? It costs more. It has more HP. Who would win? Would it be by a small gap or a large one? WTF are you talking about? You're not even following the same conversation bro. |
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12-23-2019, 12:17 PM | #5575 | ||
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At $74K we can compare the performance of the Base GT500 to the ZLE. At $94K we can compare the performance of the CF GT500 to the Z06. But once you throw a $10K markup on the GT500 then you have to look at what you'll get for $84K out of a competing car with no markups. CHances are the differences will be staggering. Also, like I said before, MSRP to MSRP, which would you rather have between the GT350R and the Base GT500? Quote:
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As I said, probably GT500 but at that dollar amount I would rather have a Corvette lol. That's the thing though, these first are limited because they just started building and shipping them. All cars are going to be limited when that is the case. People think that the GT350 and GT500 are super limited but when you look at the build counts its in line with other high performance pony cars. Maybe not as many ZL1s but its not like there's gigantic gap and its not like its capped at only X amount per year(R and CFTP are different cases) People think they aren't going to get another chance to buy one and I think that started with the rumor that the 07GT500 was going to be a 2 or 3 year run and look what happened it went on for 7 model years. |
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12-23-2019, 12:58 PM | #5577 |
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In my area, there are about 12 used GT350 for sale. Most in the $40k range and all but one is under 8000 miles. So for all those who needed to have them are sitting trying to get sold. If any paid ADM, they are loosing there shirt. The GT500 may fair better being a auto, but it would need to sit and have very low miles on it. Any gt350 with normal or high miles, are in the $30k range. These are big losses for those who say there value will stay high. It only stays high if its parked.
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12-23-2019, 01:14 PM | #5578 | |
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As for newmoon, not saying he was necessarily wrong on that one, just his pattern if and when proven wrong lol.. not a bad strategy actually lol
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12-23-2019, 02:00 PM | #5579 | |
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I understand that the Corvette team may be keeping their eye on the Shelby but are they approaching the R&D for new models based on the Shelby. Going by your analogy that Shelby and Corvette have always been direct a competitor you would think they would. I would think they are focusing their R&D on European models, and could care less what a Mustang is doing as long as it doesn't surprisingly embarrass them Again if Shelby is directly competing with Corvette do you think making the decision to challenge it with a 4200 lb chassis was a great idea or does it make much more sense that this platform is targeting similar Camaro and Challenger models.
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12-23-2019, 02:24 PM | #5583 |
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I see it but I just think that any reference that the 5th or 6th Gen Shelby sees the Corvette as a direct competitor or Corvette sees the Shelby is misleading at best. The only thing I will give you is they are similar in price.
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In the early 60's Ford brought Shelby in to get back at Ferrari and turn around their GT40 program after they asked Shelby to turn their mundane 6cyl Mustang into something more than it was. Shelby took it to SCCA championships over the Vette. The GT500 was never a direct competitor to the Vette but mags would always put the biggest of Ford to the biggest Chevy.
The Camaro is the direct competition too the Mustang today but Camaro is not the top that Chevy has to offer so again we have top vs top comparison even if they really are not focused to compete against the other. Question is Chevy going to make any changes with Camaro the platform is tight so they could leave it alone and add more engine to put the Camaro back on top, but Chevy has it's top car and has always made sure that nothing else would step on the Vette's toes. I always wondered what was said when Buick and Pontiac had the faster cars and did anyone loose their job when the Vette was dethroned by the GN or Firebird.
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But I appreciate the compliment.
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You're right the 1LT Z51 is 7K cheaper than the GT500...if that's in the realm of similar.
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