[Fraxum]

Here is more evidence of how too much is the other side of not enough. I did not think of my red A10 ZL1 as the fastest pony car. I just changed my mind. C&D is big into acceleration analysis lately expaining roll out to the masses.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ation-testing/

[GossipSquirrelJelena]

Originally Posted by Evansa22

11.4 for both cars on unprepped surfaces is pretty interesting. A lot worse than ford fans were hoping for I'm sure but cant wait to see some lap times for the 500. I think without the carbon fiber wheels, the base 500 will struggle to post great lap times [especially at 4225lbs] and you will definitely feel the weight. The cftp will be a different story but cant wait to see. The zle isn't light either but at about 400lbs difference, that's not insignificant

I can talk cars all day. Provided there's a hint of honesty behind peoples claims. Even on this forum. So what is it exactly you find interesting about the 11.4s? On an unprepped surface. Ive always found that the more powerful a car is. The harder it is to find traction. So it only stands to reason. A 760hp car. Would have a harder time out of the hole. Than a less powerful car. Now on a prepped surface. The opposite will be true. The majority of the time. Simple. Would you agree? And some Ford fans do struggle with this concept. But apparently the same can be said for Camaro fans. Is the GT500 a10.61 car? Or an 11.4 car? I say its both. Depending on where your running it! However everyone over here will chant 11.4 religiously. And the opposite over there on M6. As far as road course times. I believe the Base GT500 and the ZLe will be close. We'll all know the answer to that question soon enough. Speculating is only good for killing time at work. It'll probably suprise you. But beating a car that's been out since 2016. Isn't an incredible achievement in my opinion. But to your other point. Me and blaq have chose to fight. And Im more than ok with that!

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by GossipSquirrelJelena

I can talk cars all day. Provided there's a hint of honesty behind peoples claims. Even on this forum. So what is it exactly you find interesting about the 11.4s? On an unprepped surface. Ive always found that the more powerful a car is. The harder it is to find traction. So it only stands to reason. A 760hp car. Would have a harder time out of the hole. Than a less powerful car. Now on a prepped surface. The opposite will be true. The majority of the time. Simple. Would you agree? And some Ford fans do struggle with this concept. But apparently the same can be said for Camaro fans. Is the GT500 a10.61 car? Or an 11.4 car? I say its both. Depending on where your running it! However everyone over here will chant 11.4 religiously. And the opposite over there on M6. As far as road course times. I believe the Base GT500 and the ZLe will be close. We'll all know the answer to that question soon enough. Speculating is only good for killing time at work. It'll probably suprise you. But beating a car that's been out since 2016. Isn't an incredible achievement in my opinion. But to your other point. Me and blaq have chose to fight. And Im more than ok with that!

This is a great post, hope to see more from you like this.

I would chime in more, but I am out of league when it comes to drag racing, but I agree with everything you have said.

Edit: I do have a question actually. Do you think the 500 is capable of Ford's claims 10.7 on an unprepped surface?

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I'm saying the market determines the price. Which you and the others have said multiple times. And when a manufacturer takes note, they WILL try to get their cut. The Shelbys have skyrocketed in price by $5K. If it was a few hundred or even $1K to $2K then I could see your point. But $5K is a LOT of money to raise a price by. And I'm thinking that if you averaged up what folks paid for Shelbys since the markups started, $5K would be the mark.

So what about the fact that the Corvette price jumped by 4K in one model year, and has had many increases during each generation. The Z06 has gone from starting price of 78 to 82, Stingray went from 51 to 55. And they have been discounting them for the last few years because people knew the C8 was coming, but still increased the MSRP on them last year. I can't remember what year it was but I remember the C6 jumped up in msrp like 1500 bucks mid model year.

The GT350 and R have been continually been updated since release, yet the only reason the price has gone up in model year#5 is Ford wants a piece of the ADM that's almost gone now if you look...yeah right.

Maybe someone with former insider knowledge like Martin (hate to drag you into this nonsense lol) could chime in. Who knows maybe its both

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by GossipSquirrelJelena

I've been told by the guys that went to Vegas. The car has some tuning hocus pocus. Similar to the Torque management the ZL1 suffers. You boys would probably pick up a 10th or two. Just by tuning that crap out. Don't worry about breaking anything with the A10. Ford helped build it. So I know it's plenty strong!

Yea ford tough! Just like those plastic mt82's on the mustangs

I heard about the trans tuning "issue", probably room for improvement there.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

It seems to me that Ford's approach was to make 2 different 500s. One that could track well and one that is good in a straight line. GM's approach was to make a car that does great at everything, then make a version that is even better at everything. The price difference is not insignificant either. On Ford's end you're making a $20K jump to get a better track car that just happens to be not as good on the strip. With GM you pay an extra $7500 to get a car that is better around a track and better in the quarter. Either way it is evident, to me at least, that the Base 500 will not stand a chance against the ZLE around a track. And it is possible that the A10 ZLE will also beat the 500 on a strip. The only area where any version of the 500 might shine is the CF around a track. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out for sure. But I would not be surprised to see the A10 ZLE dominate in all areas even if the 500 might have more potential in a straight line. It's starting to look like that might happen.

I haven't seen any a10 zle quarternile times posted but it is interesting to note that the zle m6 was a tenth or 2 faster than the zl1 m6 according to MT and C&D. Maybe just a tenth, can't remember off the top of my head but I posted the exact figures a while back.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

HAHAHA....I would no doubt own one if they were the same price as the 1LE. I would pick the 350 everyday and twice on Sunday over a 1LE, and the Voodoo is why, however $61.5K is high for me.

I like the way they packaged the 2020 350 too actually, and love them in the new silver!!

If they priced it at $55K MSRP then I would be a buyer for sure, so I guess I am less than $10K apart.

I would have considered one as well.. would have had to weigh out the advantages and disadvantages of the exotic high reving higher hp having voodoo and all of its problems vs the more pedestrian but better sorted out and more low end grunt for everyday driving of the lt1.

[Laststandard]

Originally Posted by GossipSquirrelJelena

I can talk cars all day. Provided there's a hint of honesty behind peoples claims. Even on this forum. So what is it exactly you find interesting about the 11.4s? On an unprepped surface. Ive always found that the more powerful a car is. The harder it is to find traction. So it only stands to reason. A 760hp car. Would have a harder time out of the hole. Than a less powerful car. Now on a prepped surface. The opposite will be true. The majority of the time. Simple. Would you agree? And some Ford fans do struggle with this concept. But apparently the same can be said for Camaro fans. Is the GT500 a10.61 car? Or an 11.4 car? I say its both. Depending on where your running it! However everyone over here will chant 11.4 religiously. And the opposite over there on M6. As far as road course times. I believe the Base GT500 and the ZLe will be close. We'll all know the answer to that question soon enough. Speculating is only good for killing time at work. It'll probably suprise you. But beating a car that's been out since 2016. Isn't an incredible achievement in my opinion. But to your other point. Me and blaq have chose to fight. And Im more than ok with that!

If we disregard magazine times for owner times, the ZL1 gets to be a 10 second car as well, there are at least 2 that have run 10.9* bone stock.

[GossipSquirrelJelena]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Yea ford tough! Just like those plastic mt82's on the mustangs

I heard about the trans tuning "issue", probably room for improvement there.

Touche

[GossipSquirrelJelena]

Originally Posted by Laststandard

If we disregard magazine times for owner times, the ZL1 gets to be a 10 second car as well, there are at least 2 that have run 10.9* bone stock.

Ok. Everything needs to be held to the same standard. I have no issue with the 10.9. ZL1.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by shaffe

So what about the fact that the Corvette price jumped by 4K in one model year, and has had many increases during each generation. The Z06 has gone from starting price of 78 to 82, Stingray went from 51 to 55. And they have been discounting them for the last few years because people knew the C8 was coming, but still increased the MSRP on them last year. I can't remember what year it was but I remember the C6 jumped up in msrp like 1500 bucks mid model year.

The GT350 and R have been continually been updated since release, yet the only reason the price has gone up in model year#5 is Ford wants a piece of the ADM that's almost gone now if you look...yeah right.

Maybe someone with former insider knowledge like Martin (hate to drag you into this nonsense lol) could chime in. Who knows maybe its both

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

I would have considered one as well.. would have had to weigh out the advantages and disadvantages of the exotic high reving higher hp having voodoo and all of its problems vs the more pedestrian but better sorted out and more low end grunt for everyday driving of the lt1.

Yeah, that's where I am price wise considering the inherent issues with the Voodoo and known issues with the S550 platform like awful panel alignment etc.

I won't pay over $60K for a car with basic issues like that, I am just not that big a fan and expect a more complete package for my money(build quality, interior materials, mechanical issues, etc.).

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

This is a great post, hope to see more from you like this.

I would chime in more, but I am out of league when it comes to drag racing, but I agree with everything you have said.

Edit: I do have a question actually. Do you think the 500 is capable of Ford's claims 10.7 on an unprepped surface?

Never mind, I found my answer. When I asked I wasn't aware that Ford stated that estimate was on a prepped surface.

[Laststandard]

Originally Posted by GossipSquirrelJelena

Ok. Everything needs to be held to the same standard. I have no issue with the 10.9. ZL1.

Now say that over on M6G