[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by 2SS6th

I have stated this over and over again, it’s the throttle response/delay in regular drive mode, the car doesn’t immediately pull the instant I hit the gas, in manual mode it does,
The A8 in the SS doesn’t downshift quick enough to pull immediately as I randomly gun it, as in manual mode it does. The power is fine.... it’s the time it takes for the car to downshift in auto mode that makes me not feel in control. There is also a “dead zone” in the pedal when in auto mode I’ve noticed, how I’m assuming it’s either for gas, or that the car is just a torque monster and GM doesn’t want you to get hurt.

You need an electric car for absolutely instant torque if that's what you're after. The A10 will also have to downshift from 9th or 10th to put you into the powerband. Granted, it'll be like 100-150 ms faster than the A8, but it's hard to believe that is a make or break for someone at your experience level. But again, it's your decision, and I'll just shut up from now on

[Craig]

Originally Posted by 2SS6th

That reminds me, I think I’ll just hold up my phone to the windshield and HUD with my left hand and use my right hand to steer and upshift, I promise I won’t do anything crazy, just a few pulls from very low rolls; and one pull from a turn, no 80’s, 90’s, or any triple digits, I’ll also put the steering to track to keep it as tight as possible, and I won’t do anything stupid with people around me. I practice when no one is around, and if I catch up to a vehicle too quickly, I stop, I know I’m obviously not good enough yet.


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Dude scrape a few bills up, get a decent dash cam setup and save yourself a wreck. WTH you must at least have friends who can ride along and take video for you??? In a lot of states you would be facing jail for doing what you just described at ANY speed.

ZL1? C’mon dude. You should realize that most of the ZL1 owners you’re talking to here have been driving performance cars for longer than you’ve been alive. It’s way way too much car for prob 90% of all drivers. You’re here learning to utilize 460hp so maybe hold off on 650. The last thing you need to be doing at 21 is drowning yourself in negative car equity.

[2SS6th]

Originally Posted by Craig

Dude scrape a few bills up, get a decent dash cam setup and save yourself a wreck. WTH you must at least have friends who can ride along and take video for you??? In a lot of states you would be facing jail for doing what you just described at ANY speed.

ZL1? C’mon dude. You should realize that most of the ZL1 owners you’re talking to here have been driving performance cars for longer than you’ve been alive. It’s way way too much car for prob 90% of all drivers. You’re here learning to utilize 460hp so maybe hold off on 650. The last thing you need to be doing at 21 is drowning yourself in negative car equity.

Fine, I’ll look for something to record the HUD and windshield, and I’m still going to work towards that car. Literally the only reason why I desire more response, is because I want to feel more in control of the car, that’s all, it doesn’t have to be as instant as a snap of a finger, the car obviously has power, just response.
Perhaps by the time I’m ready for a ZL1, I’ll become an ever better and more knowledgeable driver by then, and I would never trade in my fully loaded 2SS and still be “upside down” in equity.


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[CoeusAscended]

Mate, the ZL1 A10 will also have to downshift just like the SS A8 if you go pedal to the metal, at what point during daily driving is the fraction of a second it takes to downshift too much to put up with in order to "overtake with authority"? If you're roll racing, sure, put it in manual in 3rd around 3000rpm, but when you slam it and it reaches 6k rpm you're better off flicking the shifter back to auto rather than use the peddles anyway. I can somewhat understand that you feel the throttle response isn't the best (but either way you shouldn't expect to just break the sound barrier just giving a little throttle) but why don't you then just install a new throttle body and/or get a throttle controller? A new TB costs maybe 4-500, a sponsor on here specializes in them and even has a policy that you can return the thing if you're not happy, the install can be done by anyone with 0 mechanical experience in less than an hour and doesn't require a tune, and a throttle controller will cost maybe 100 at most. Just opt for that first cause honestly you'll probably end up in a wall in a ZL1.

[2SS6th]

Originally Posted by CoeusAscended

Mate, the ZL1 A10 will also have to downshift just like the SS A8 if you go pedal to the metal, at what point during daily driving is the fraction of a second it takes to downshift too much to put up with in order to "overtake with authority"? If you're roll racing, sure, put it in manual in 3rd around 3000rpm, but when you slam it and it reaches 6k rpm you're better off flicking the shifter back to auto rather than use the peddles anyway. I can somewhat understand that you feel the throttle response isn't the best (but either way you shouldn't expect to just break the sound barrier just giving a little throttle) but why don't you then just install a new throttle body and/or get a throttle controller? A new TB costs maybe 4-500, a sponsor on here specializes in them and even has a policy that you can return the thing if you're not happy, the install can be done by anyone with 0 mechanical experience in less than an hour and doesn't require a tune, and a throttle controller will cost maybe 100 at most. Just opt for that first cause honestly you'll probably end up in a wall in a ZL1.

I’ve seen cars from that autobahn you tuber and they downshift instantly as soon as he slams it, AutoTopNL. It downshifts from 7 to 4th in a snap of a finger (1000hp Biturbo R8) for example.


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[GooseSS]

That's probably a fancy DCT. Apples and oranges my friend.

[2SS6th]

Originally Posted by GooseSS

That's probably a fancy DCT. Apples and oranges my friend.

Oh, so a DCT is what I’m looking for?...


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[2SS6th]

I was just thinking because I know ZL1’s can hang with GTRs which have DCT


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[2SS6th]

I know I’ve given everyone and including myself a hard time, so this is what I’m gonna do, since I’m dedicated to getting and working towards a ZL1, I’ll just keep working until I pay my SS in half and trade it in for an A10 ZL1, get a rotofab, ported throttle body, and call it a day. (I know for a fact those 2 combinations of mods on a ZL1 with an added blower is just instant torque and power everywhere) in the meantime, I’ll keep practicing and improving in my SS and try to post some clips. I’ve given everyone a hard time already


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[CoeusAscended]

Originally Posted by 2SS6th

I’ve seen cars from that autobahn you tuber and they downshift instantly as soon as he slams it, AutoTopNL. It downshifts from 7 to 4th in a snap of a finger (1000hp Biturbo R8) for example.


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You are comparing a 1000hp R8 that has been tuned and modded to an extreme degree, to a stock SS? Of course it will downshift at the snap of a finger, even the stock R8 has a starting price that is nearly 4 times as much as the SS! Like what do you expect man... to top it of, that 1000hp package that Klasen offers costs 75000 euros, the upgraded clutch alone costs 17000 and every aspect of the car seems to have been beefed up, including transmission. It is beyond ridiculous to compare a tuned super car that costs 270k usd, to a stock Camaro SS that costs 40k usd. I mean I can understand you're new and all, but come on, this is just common sense. Trust me, if you think a ZL1 is gonna be comparable to that monster R8, you'll be just as disappointed when you get that.

[2SS6th]

Originally Posted by CoeusAscended

You are comparing a 1000hp R8 that has been tuned and modded to an extreme degree, to a stock SS? Of course it will downshift at the snap of a finger, even the stock R8 has a starting price that is nearly 4 times as much as the SS! Like what do you expect man... to top it of, that 1000hp package that Klasen offers costs 75000 euros, the upgraded clutch alone costs 17000 and every aspect of the car seems to have been beefed up, including transmission. It is beyond ridiculous to compare a tuned super car that costs 270k usd, to a stock Camaro SS that costs 40k usd. I mean I can understand you're new and all, but come on, this is just common sense. Trust me, if you think a ZL1 is gonna be comparable to that monster R8, you'll be just as disappointed when you get that.

I’m not expecting a 650hp ZL1 to be comparable to something that ridiculous. That R8 is incomprehensibly ridiculous for me, I’m no where near good enough to control something like that, hence me starting new, my SS is actually my first car loan (2nd car) I sold my 2008 E90 335i (first car). I controlled the 335i fine, I’m still learning the SS here and there, that’s 300/300 to 155/155 extra and the ZL1 is yet another 195/195 extra on top of the SS, I’m not ready for a ZL1 yet, idk what 650 torque/acceleration and power is like (yet)
WHEN I get that ZL1, I’m not going to expect it to be like that R8, but I do want the A10 transmission to be responsive to my liking, I want the power to be under my control AS I REQUEST FOR IT—NOT DELAYED. That’s all I’ve been trying to get across through my last 2 threads and yes, I’m still new to the gear/power band learning thing, I don’t drive in the triple digits, and I don’t endanger anyone around me, I only do these practice pulls when I’m alone and no other vehicle is nearby. I know a majority of members here dislike me because I’ve bashed on the car in the past and shouldn’t be driving a 455hp car at my age because of my lack of knowledge and some still think I’m trolling for whatever reason, I don’t know why really (probably because they think the car isn’t even mine’s and some else’s, I’m just trying to record the gauge cluster and windshield so y’all can see what I’m doing wrong virtually, but having trouble trying to get something to hold the phone at just the right angle)
here is my 335i btw, before I sold it.


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[Cherry]

If you are driving a car with 455hp and capable of a 0-60 of ~4 seconds (Which were supercar numbers not long ago) and you can't "pass with authority" then it's you and not the car. Getting a new car isn't gonna solve your problem. Figure out what gear you need to be in to get your launch from at certain speeds and put the car in that gear. It's not hard considering the A8 will just do it for you.

Also recording while driving is dangerous at any speed regardless if people are around you or not so you should probably quit doing that.

[Mav250x]

Why dont you just throw a tune on there?

[2SS6th]

Originally Posted by Cherry

If you are driving a car with 455hp and capable of a 0-60 of ~4 seconds (Which were supercar numbers not long ago) and you can't "pass with authority" then it's you and not the car. Getting a new car isn't gonna solve your problem. Figure out what gear you need to be in to get your launch from at certain speeds and put the car in that gear. It's not hard considering the A8 will just do it for you.

Also recording while driving is dangerous at any speed regardless if people are around you or not so you should probably quit doing that.

That’s exactly what I’ve been trying to figure out, when coming off of first from a stop, it hits 2nd gear so quickly, when stopped/idle, I literally put the car in 2nd gear, because 1st gear doesn’t even go up to 25mph almost, it’s actually kinda annoying when I drive and come to a stop, I always have to put the car in 2nd, 1st gets to 2nd way too fast, it was really embarrassing tbh when a V6 mustang beat me a while back before I made my first thread, because I didn’t know crap about how the transmission/gears worked. I was in manual mode and launched off of 6th, car went no where and got embarrassed badly


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