[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Baldilocks01SS

Chevrolet, more than likely, won't even respond to the GT500. The Camaro is not on their priority list -- pleasing shareholders is. All of GM's focus is on the C8 Corvette and all of its upcoming variants.

Besides, making 760 crank HP in the ZL1 really doesn't take much effort and it's already more than capable on the track.

I hope GM does not try to respond with the Camaro in this Gen. That is the mistake Ford made with the S550 which is ultimately why they had to wait 6 years for something remotely respectable. The ZL1 proved itself. At it's price and for what you get it is still the king. GM needs to continue what they do best, keep moving forward.

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Blaq liked to pretend he knew they were running the CFTP GT500 and therefore try to claim a $100k Mustang runs 10s, but in reality, the base GT500 at $74k is capable of running mid 10s on a drag strip on PS4S factory tires, at 133 mph.

Your faculties must be diminished. You gave incorrect info about the track event. You said there were only Base GT500s and you were wrong.

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

All the cars at the press event were base cars on MPS4S tires.

Posted in case you try to lie.

There were Base AND CF GT500s there. Which I said. Then I posted this

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

If the press event and the thing at LVS are one and the same then there were definitely some CF GT500s out there. Perhaps you mean that only the ones that ran were Base GT500s? Also there were some 11.3s posted in there. It looks like the fastest time that can be proven as of right now is 11.07. If someone did a 10 then as of right now there is no proof posted anywhere.

Maybe the CF GT500s ran 10s and perhaps those were the ones that were not allowed to be posted or have pics taken.

Nothing I said was incorrect because I said "maybe" and "perhaps". I said nothing definitive about what was ran. At that event they did not say which version of the GT500 was ran and they only posted 2 runs...one was 11.07 and the other was a slower time. You then speculated that one ran 10s. There was no proof of that at the time because nobody was allowed to post that info. So you made speculations and I did as well. Nowhere did I make a definitive statement on what was ran. So your criticism is a bit uncalled for when you did the exact same effing thing bro. You're just mad because my speculation was contrary to yours and you want us over here to play cheerleader to the GT500. Ain't gonna happen.

Originally Posted by shaffe

Because they report on the MSRP - rarely have they ventured into talking about ADMs.

You just seem upset that all the reviews seem very glowing lol - all in good fun

You seem like that is something you want to believe. And that is fine with me.

If acknowledgement is what you want then sure, the reviewers seem to be madly in love with the GT500 based solely off what it did in the quarter mile. Taking nothing else into account the car performed as well as a 760 HP Mustang that costs $74K should perform. So congrats to Ford for building a GT500 that did what it should do.

The reviewers also seemed very disappointed in how the C8 Z51 performed. It ran 11.1 with only 495 HP and can be had for $65K and it beat the outgoing Z51 around a track by almost a full second as well as almost a full second in the quarter mile. But the understeer which prevented them from drifting the car around a corner and the reduced braking ability relegated the C8 to basically a piece of crap that GM could have made much better despite the price tag and inherent costs of switching to a ME design.

LOL! Just joking to show you what a petty statement would look like.

I'm not concerned with any subjective views on any of these cars shaffe and you know that. I've not once taken those statements seriously even when it was in favor of the Camaro. Like when they posted favorably in regards to how the SLE feels compared to the GT PP2. I never took those statements to be anything other than someone else's opinion. You know that fully well also. I have always taken the objective data as being the only relevant information for me. And I have always stated that the performance of these cars is all that matters. The objective data and the performance so far shows the Z51 and the ZL1 as being superior cars to the GT500. I have not seen anything to change my mind on that. If you'd care to debate it then I'll do so. But don't try to paint me as some petty whiny punk who is mad about a favorable review for the GT500. Hell, they loved the GT350R and placed it as the winner of the H2H and I've acknowledged that time and again. In fact I am glad that they love the GT500 as much as they do. Ford has been soo far behind the game for soo long that they need this win. Good for them. But you need to give me some credit here man.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Good points. I think all the magazines will do their calibrated tests once they get their hands on one outside of the press event. I also think next year it'll run at LL and Pobst will drive one as well.

I admit before today I was solidly in the C8 camp, but after hearing the initial impressions from drivers and seeing the trap speed, I'm wavering a bit and wondering if a base GT500 is in my future...after all I do still need back seats for a long time.

One interesting tidbit I read from one of the reviews (can't remember the source but maybe C&D?) is Ford moved the pulley and gearing down in the supercharger, lowering the s/c center of gravity by a few inches. Pretty cool.

If a manual version existed I'd be a bigger fan personally but I know most don't care about that. Basically the only hypo cars I'm interested in are a c7 zr1 and a zl1 because of my affinity for manuals. Somehow on the mid engine corvette the dct doesn't bother me, I feel like that layout doesn't necessarily need a manual for my taste. My camaros and mustangs need s stick though lol.

You're talking about the inverted layout of the blower I presume, I know motortrend touched on that so maybe that's where you saw it.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I think they got soo enamored with the quarter mile time that they're losing their minds. The GT500, is the worst bargain. A bargain would mean that I can buy the car at a decent price and get a great value. In that respect the GT500 will be the absolute worst bargain. It is going to carry heavy markups. Not only that but even if you're willing to pay those markups your chances of getting one is still next to nonexistent. On the contrary you can go and order a C8 right this minute. And so far it has run an 11.1. And you won't pay a markup. And the minimum you will pay for that performance is $65K. So in all sense of reality, how they could come to their conclusion without considering all aspects of acquiring a GT500 is beyond me.

All the reviews have talked about how awesome the car is on a track and curvy roads, and not focused as much on the 1/4 mile times. Why else would both C&D and MT compare it to a 911 GT2 RS? I think it was MT that said it has a good chance of winning the best driver's car next year - and it will get compared to super cars in that competition.

The C8's 11.1 is impressive and no doubt helped massively by the ME layout, but the base GT500's 133 mph trap speed is more impressive, at $74k whether you like Evan's 10.6 sec run or not (975' DA). No other car in the world comes close to that 133 mph trap speed for the same money. The very best Redeye test I've seen is 128 mph. Slap some slicks on the GT500 and it's likely a low 10 sec. car. Slap some slicks on the C8 Z51 and it's still a 11.1 sec car (or maybe 11.0).

Or another scenario - a C8 Z51 pulls up next to a base GT500 at 40 mph on the highway...what happens? The GT500 will destroy it, indicated by the +10 mph trap speed in the 1/4 mile. It will also beat a Hellcat, ZL1, GTR, M5/AMG vehicles, Viper GTS, C7 Z06, 911 Turbo, 911 GT3, Audi R8 V10, C6 ZR1, etc. in that scenario. It traps more speed than all of them and is cheaper than most of them. Short of a Demon, C7 ZR1, and current exotic supercars, nothing will touch it on the road. And this isn't me being biased, it's just numbers. I love all of those cars, esp. the Viper, 911 Turbo, and the C7 Z06. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just as fast as the Demon in that scenario, and if the GT500 happened to get a slight jump on a ZR1 from a roll, the ZR1 may not even be able to reel it in before shutting down.

It's that freaking fast; for $74k, and it will hold it's own very well on a road course (unlike the Dodge offerings). Now, according to some of the people who have driven it, the CFTP is essentially a super car for $93k.

On top of its acceleration potential, according to people that drive and test cars for a living, it's mind blowing on a race track.

I'm excited, if you couldn't tell.

[bobby35ny]

Originally Posted by Baldilocks01SS

Chevrolet, more than likely, won't even respond to the GT500. The Camaro is not on their priority list -- pleasing shareholders is. All of GM's focus is on the C8 Corvette and all of its upcoming variants.

Besides, making 760 crank HP in the ZL1 really doesn't take much effort and it's already more than capable on the track.

GM doesn't have to respond, if they do we a F***ked pricewise.
The Ford guys can brag all they want because it seems like money in no object for them.

I paid 58k+ tax for my car. similar Gt500 without ALL my options would cost me 87k+ tax. Why would we want to pay $30k more for a GT500?

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I hope GM does not try to respond with the Camaro in this Gen. That is the mistake Ford made with the S550 which is ultimately why they had to wait 6 years for something remotely respectable. The ZL1 proved itself. At it's price and for what you get it is still the king. GM needs to continue what they do best, keep moving forward.

Your faculties must be diminished. You gave incorrect info about the track event. You said there were only Base GT500s and you were wrong. Posted in case you try to lie.

There were Base AND CF GT500s there. Which I said. Then I posted this
Nothing I said was incorrect because I said "maybe" and "perhaps". I said nothing definitive about what was ran. At that event they did not say which version of the GT500 was ran and they only posted 2 runs...one was 11.07 and the other was a slower time. You then speculated that one ran 10s. There was no proof of that at the time because nobody was allowed to post that info. So you made speculations and I did as well. Nowhere did I make a definitive statement on what was ran. So your criticism is a bit uncalled for when you did the exact same effing thing bro. You're just mad because my speculation was contrary to yours and you want us over here to play cheerleader to the GT500. Ain't gonna happen.
You seem like that is something you want to believe. And that is fine with me.

If acknowledgement is what you want then sure, the reviewers seem to be madly in love with the GT500 based solely off what it did in the quarter mile. Taking nothing else into account the car performed as well as a 760 HP Mustang that costs $74K should perform. So congrats to Ford for building a GT500 that did what it should do.

The reviewers also seemed very disappointed in how the C8 Z51 performed. It ran 11.1 with only 495 HP and can be had for $65K and it beat the outgoing Z51 around a track by almost a full second as well as almost a full second in the quarter mile. But the understeer which prevented them from drifting the car around a corner and the reduced braking ability relegated the C8 to basically a piece of crap that GM could have made much better despite the price tag and inherent costs of switching to a ME design.

LOL! Just joking to show you what a petty statement would look like.

I'm not concerned with any subjective views on any of these cars shaffe and you know that. I've not once taken those statements seriously even when it was in favor of the Camaro. Like when they posted favorably in regards to how the SLE feels compared to the GT PP2. I never took those statements to be anything other than someone else's opinion. You know that fully well also. I have always taken the objective data as being the only relevant information for me. And I have always stated that the performance of these cars is all that matters. The objective data and the performance so far shows the Z51 and the ZL1 as being superior cars to the GT500. I have not seen anything to change my mind on that. If you'd care to debate it then I'll do so. But don't try to paint me as some petty whiny punk who is mad about a favorable review for the GT500. Hell, they loved the GT350R and placed it as the winner of the H2H and I've acknowledged that time and again. In fact I am glad that they love the GT500 as much as they do. Ford has been soo far behind the game for soo long that they need this win. Good for them. But you need to give me some credit here man.

They praised it as it seems to be a great car but it is odd how they basically interchanged the positives of the carbon fiber track pack and the base as if they were the same. They pretty much said the base slides around all over the place but that's ok lol. Maybe the cftp just blew their skirts up that hard that they forgave the base for it's fault or the fun factor of the whole press event got them hyped lol.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by triggerjerk

I bet dodge will do something to steal the limelight back.
GM, instead of dropping the LT5 in the ZL1, will launch a new series of "real people" ads featuring urbanites loading potting soil into a Blazer outside of a hip coffee shop.

Dodge still has the sale going on for the Hellcats and Redeyes. The Hellcats get a $7170 discount off MSRP and the Redeyes get a $7970 discount off MSRP. I do not think they will do more than that. The fact of the matter is that their sales are not in any danger. The GT500 is very limited in production, will carry huge markups, and are not going to be available at this point. The allocations are all gone. And any allocations that may be available likely have a waiting list 10 people deep. And my bet is that the dealerships are going to sell to the highest bidder. This is all in comparison to going to any of several dealerships right now and buying a Redeye with an original MSRP of $92K for only $84K and driving off immediately. So they will be fine. But my hope is that they do offer an extra little incentive. Maybe if they do, maybe just maybe I'll budge and get one!!!!

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I hope GM does not try to respond with the Camaro in this Gen. That is the mistake Ford made with the S550 which is ultimately why they had to wait 6 years for something remotely respectable. The ZL1 proved itself. At it's price and for what you get it is still the king. GM needs to continue what they do best, keep moving forward.

Your faculties must be diminished. You gave incorrect info about the track event. You said there were only Base GT500s and you were wrong. Posted in case you try to lie.

There were Base AND CF GT500s there. Which I said. Then I posted this
Nothing I said was incorrect because I said "maybe" and "perhaps". I said nothing definitive about what was ran. At that event they did not say which version of the GT500 was ran and they only posted 2 runs...one was 11.07 and the other was a slower time. You then speculated that one ran 10s. There was no proof of that at the time because nobody was allowed to post that info. So you made speculations and I did as well. Nowhere did I make a definitive statement on what was ran. So your criticism is a bit uncalled for when you did the exact same effing thing bro. You're just mad because my speculation was contrary to yours and you want us over here to play cheerleader to the GT500. Ain't gonna happen.
You seem like that is something you want to believe. And that is fine with me.

If acknowledgement is what you want then sure, the reviewers seem to be madly in love with the GT500 based solely off what it did in the quarter mile. Taking nothing else into account the car performed as well as a 760 HP Mustang that costs $74K should perform. So congrats to Ford for building a GT500 that did what it should do.

The reviewers also seemed very disappointed in how the C8 Z51 performed. It ran 11.1 with only 495 HP and can be had for $65K and it beat the outgoing Z51 around a track by almost a full second as well as almost a full second in the quarter mile. But the understeer which prevented them from drifting the car around a corner and the reduced braking ability relegated the C8 to basically a piece of crap that GM could have made much better despite the price tag and inherent costs of switching to a ME design.

LOL! Just joking to show you what a petty statement would look like.

I'm not concerned with any subjective views on any of these cars shaffe and you know that. I've not once taken those statements seriously even when it was in favor of the Camaro. Like when they posted favorably in regards to how the SLE feels compared to the GT PP2. I never took those statements to be anything other than someone else's opinion. You know that fully well also. I have always taken the objective data as being the only relevant information for me. And I have always stated that the performance of these cars is all that matters. The objective data and the performance so far shows the Z51 and the ZL1 as being superior cars to the GT500. I have not seen anything to change my mind on that. If you'd care to debate it then I'll do so. But don't try to paint me as some petty whiny punk who is mad about a favorable review for the GT500. Hell, they loved the GT350R and placed it as the winner of the H2H and I've acknowledged that time and again. In fact I am glad that they love the GT500 as much as they do. Ford has been soo far behind the game for soo long that they need this win. Good for them. But you need to give me some credit here man.

You should know me, I own up when I am wrong. We were talking about the drag times, and I meant the ones that were running on the drag strip were all base models since we were talking about the drag strip times. The track got the CFTP vehicles.

I didn't speculate it ran 10s. I was told by people who were there it ran 10s. There's a difference between being informed by those in the know and speculating. Now we know it ran 10.89 @ 4,100' DA. And 10.61 @ 133 mph at 975' DA.

You think the reviewers love it because of the 1/4 mile? Did you read the articles that talked about it's handling and balance?

You're delusional if you think the objective performance data shows the ZL1 as a superior sports car. The GT500 is already running mid 10s at 133 mph. How is that objectively worse than the ZL1 1/4 mile performance? Track tests haven't come out so that is TBD.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

All the reviews have talked about how awesome the car is on a track and curvy roads, and not focused as much on the 1/4 mile times. Why else would both C&D and MT compare it to a 911 GT2 RS? I think it was MT that said it has a good chance of winning the best driver's car next year - and it will get compared to super cars in that competition.

The C8's 11.1 is impressive and no doubt helped massively by the ME layout, but the base GT500's 133 mph trap speed is more impressive, at $74k whether you like Evan's 10.6 sec run or not (975' DA). No other car in the world comes close to that 133 mph trap speed for the same money. The very best Redeye test I've seen is 128 mph. Slap some slicks on the GT500 and it's likely a low 10 sec. car. Slap some slicks on the C8 Z51 and it's still a 11.1 sec car (or maybe 11.0).

Or another scenario - a C8 Z51 pulls up next to a base GT500 at 40 mph on the highway...what happens? The GT500 will destroy it, indicated by the +10 mph trap speed in the 1/4 mile. It will also beat a Hellcat, ZL1, GTR, M5/AMG vehicles, Viper GTS, C7 Z06, 911 Turbo, 911 GT3, Audi R8 V10, C6 ZR1, etc. in that scenario. It traps more speed than all of them and is cheaper than most of them. Short of a Demon, C7 ZR1, and current exotic supercars, nothing will touch it on the road. And this isn't me being biased, it's just numbers. I love all of those cars, esp. the Viper, 911 Turbo, and the C7 Z06. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just as fast as the Demon in that scenario, and if the GT500 happened to get a slight jump on a ZR1 from a roll, the ZR1 may not even be able to reel it in before shutting down.

It's that freaking fast; for $74k, and it will hold it's own very well on a road course (unlike the Dodge offerings). Now, according to some of the people who have driven it, the CFTP is essentially a super car for $93k.

On top of its acceleration potential, according to people that drive and test cars for a living, it's mind blowing on a race track.

I'm excited, if you couldn't tell.

And so it begins, using Evans private party 10.6 at 133 as the standard when motortrend has a 11.2 at 130 lol... and another Lol at assuming the c8 won't touch 10s with proper tires or even just with a motivated private track rental on stock tires.

For what it's worth I think the gt500 would wreck a demon on a roll. The drag times channel has a lot of demon rolling videos and it's definitely more of a dig car when it can hook up traction. Outside of 250k+(720s, gt2s, 812s, ect) exotics the zr1 is the only car that can beat the gt500 in a straight line rolling and even then drivers have to do their parts, as with all high power red front engine cars.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

And so it begins, using Evans private party 10.6 at 133 as the standard when motortrend has a 11.2 at 130 lol... and another Lol at assuming the c8 won't touch 10s with proper tires or even just with a motivated private track rental on stock tires.

For what it's worth I think the gt500 would wreck a demon on a roll. The drag times channel has a lot of demon rolling videos and it's definitely more of a dig car when it can hook up traction. Outside of 250k+(720s, gt2s, 812s, ect) exotics the zr1 is the only car that can beat the gt500 in a straight line and even then drivers have to do their parts, as with all high power red front engine cars.

Well, if he hit it, then it is likely going to be the standard. Whether the magazine tests hit it is yet TBD. I've already admitted the e.t. will likely be higher in the magazine tests. I think the instrumented tests will be ~10.9 @ 132-133 mph or thereabouts.

MT's time is not an instrumented test - so what that MT ran 11.2 @ 130 in a high DA at a press event in a few runs in cars being hot lapped all day; there are multiple tests of it running 10s in that same high DA during the same event. Jalopnik ran an 11.3 @ 131 mph. That doesn't mean it's a low 11 sec. car. It means it's a 10 sec. car that wasn't hooking up.

I don't know why we're arguing about it being a 10 sec. car. It obviously is a 10 sec car.

[Fraxum]

I may not be keeping pace with this thread but it sure sounds like the new GT500 wil handle any ZL1 easily in the 1/4. middle high 10s @ 133? Thatr sounds like a ZL1 with a Rotofab, E60, a good tune, and tires.

In an A10 base ZL1 anything better than 11.2 @126-7 is a hero run. So what is that 3-4+ cars on the big end?

But if I still had a ZL1 I would need to run a GT500 on its dragstrip maiden voyage to beat it. Of course a big enough RT still rules.

Still after more thinking and experiencing the somewhat PDK like ZL1 A10, I miss a manual. It takes me back to street racing days. But I have since stopped being that stupid.

Another thing that bothered me about the ZL1 is that the car is so good the driver may not have been the biggest factor until the car was at 8-10 tenths.

Is being a good driver still needed?

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

You read the article didn't you, they provided the base car for the strip at the event because ford deemed it the better car for the strip and the mpsc2s wouldn't have provided a grip advantage according them per MT & Evan, and it wasn't just one base car at the event. The many runs was in reference to the 14 or so of "them" running the car without any of them going sub 11 they mention in the drag strip portion of the article. Again, its in the article. While Blaq says it took a 100k mustang to run 10s, and he's wrong, because the base did, it very well could be that a 100k mustang can't run 10s since ford didn't bring it to the strip being that they thought the base was the better drag car. I'm sure it can in perfect conditions but it hasn't happened.

Dude you're pretending a corrected time (a time you dont know the actual recorded time for) on an unprepared surface is somehow more advantageous than times achieved on a prepped surface with people running multiple cars trying to achieve the best time possible, it's not. Whether you say it was weakly prepped or not it was prepped. As well as your guesses oin DA, sure it probably wasn't the best but you're just guessing.

You can try to play a corrected vs uncorrected gane and trying to figure out what one cars corrected time will be based on another cars corrections all you want but you're not comparing apples to apples. Uncorrected on the fast list zl1s have gone 10.9s at 128 and 129mph, zr1s have gone 10.3s, 10.4s, 10.5s from 133 to 134.5 mph uncorrected. Evans run is a fast list type run, it shows what the car is capable of just like the best runs on the fast list. That 133 Evan got is very impressive but it's not the 133 vs 124 gt500 vs zl1 ford fans want to try to say it is. Which if you look at the FB groups is what's going on, they're comparing Evans run to publication runs by the zl1. That's probably why ford does this, this very reaction from their fan base.

You're usually a good debate, especially when provided with proof of whatever we're debating about. I think you're fan boying extra hard a little today. It's understandable, we finally have info on the gt500 and it's awesome. You get a pass today lol I think it's pretty badass too and a great time for American muscle.

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Sorry you can't use the data from the fast list as there is absolutely no proof that the cars were in fact 100% stock. Way to easy to be hiding mods tunes, E85, etc, etc. Go back and read the early ZL1 forums and the issues everyone was having trying to get the cars to 60', then a few claim to figure it out and magically gain 3-5 tenths over what everyone else is running. Following that even ZL1 with dragpacks couldn't duplicate those times.

[RagingHawk]

GM shouldn't respond to this with the Camaro. Mustang for Ford is what Corvette is to GM. And Ford is ending the 6th generation Mustang with a bang before they switch to Turbo 6 or all electric Mustang for 7th generation.

Honestly, people care too much about power figures and 1/4 mile times. Cars are too fast and unusable for the street nowadays. Everyone is getting great 1/4 mile times. Ford is achieving it with their Drag Mode tuning/suspension tuning/tire and transmission setup. All put together, it makes for a car that is going to be unattainable for many people unlike the ZL1. Also with those carbon fiber wheels, I can only imagine how costly a replacement will be if something goes wrong. And of course, the 4200 lb curb weight , or 4170 for the track pack version is going to be felt.

The ZL1 is the better value and it's better looking to me. ZL1 is going to feel more balanced. ZL1 is much more attainable. ZL1 doesn't require costly CF wheels to cut some weight down.

So overall, the only thing that feels new to me in the GT500 is the DCT. 1/4 mile times and good handling can be achieved by any manufacturer today. But it is GM that brought an all new platform that deviated from the traditional approach to top trim muscle cars. Sadly though, no one will care and they will praise this car like no other just for the 1/4 time.

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by newmoon

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Sorry you can't use the data from the fast list as there is absolutely no proof that the cars were in fact 100% stock. Way to easy to be hiding mods tunes, E85, etc, etc. Go back and read the early ZL1 forums and the issues everyone was having trying to get the cars to 60', then a few claim to figure it out and magically gain 3-5 tenths over what everyone else is running. Following that even ZL1 with dragpacks couldn't duplicate those times.

Me either with DRs and a Rotofab after 50 or more tries 11.179 @129 downhill. 11.low 3s @126 stock in mineshaft air. Although both stock ET 10 sec leaders seemed very genuine people. So I am not saying it didn't happen.

People alway said my friend Pat's 11.4s in stock pre a10 Coyote autos were cheating somehow. He was stock. But mineshaft air and good driving was needed.

[RagingHawk]

I think we're looking at a minimum of 100K OTD to get into the base GT500. All the way up to 130K OTD for the Track Pack. Which is a lot of money. And I'm not the type to put down a car like this for the price then turn around and tell you a 90K Cayman is worth it. Neither are worth those price tags to me. But that's because I don't see a reason to spend more than 100K on a car like I used to as a kid. If I'm spending anything more than 100K it has to be a special two door coupe with a weight well below 4200 LB's.... Something like a C7 Z06 or something very flashy like an Hurucan or McLaren GT.