SS 1LE - no lift shift? - Page 5

Norm Peterson · 10-16-2016, 09:09 AM

I'm afraid you're still under-estimating the difficulty here. It's one thing to understand on an intellectual level that it's going to work, but that doesn't get you past a 53+ year driving lifetime of not having enough interest in drag racing or its street cousin to have had any desire to learn the harsh shifting techniques used there.

A drive it, drive smoothly, don't break it outlook and a driving history that includes things like inline sixxes, 1-barrel carbs, 3 on the tree shifters, iron-case Saginaw 4-speeds, and 7.5" 10-bolt axles behind 305's (and later 350's) are also working against easily accepting this technology.

As to having faith in similar systems - I try pretty hard to avoid letting any of them get interested in what's going on and manage to do so virtually all of the time. The time or two a year that I might make some engine kiss its rev limiter or have an ABS event in some car means I screwed up, which I tend to take personally as an insult of my own making.

There's a difference between being thankful for the technology having saved you (and leaving it at that until the next time) and being annoyed that the technology felt it had to step in like a teenager's driver's-ed/permit instructor in a dual-control car might have to.

Norm

Tubtub · 10-10-2019, 01:05 AM

So I have a 19 ss 1le, I've used NLS several times and it has worked well sometimes and 2 times it had not. One time I was just messing around on the road and the transmission made a terrible noise and the gear got stuck, the other time I was at the track shifting from 2nd to 3rd and my back left tire for whatever reason made a terrible skidding noise and my car slowed down. Besides feeling unnatural it is dicey obviously and I will never use it again personally.

MP3BOOSTED · 10-10-2019, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tubtub

So I have a 19 ss 1le, I've used NLS several times and it has worked well sometimes and 2 times it had not. One time I was just messing around on the road and the transmission made a terrible noise and the gear got stuck, the other time I was at the track shifting from 2nd to 3rd and my back left tire for whatever reason made a terrible skidding noise and my car slowed down. Besides feeling unnatural it is dicey obviously and I will never use it again personally.

It's really key in hitting it after a certain RPM. Can't take your sweet time while doing it either. quick and easy, don't have to be crazy forceful with it, just make it smooth.

Matos1LE · 10-10-2019, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tubtub

So I have a 19 ss 1le, I've used NLS several times and it has worked well sometimes and 2 times it had not. One time I was just messing around on the road and the transmission made a terrible noise and the gear got stuck, the other time I was at the track shifting from 2nd to 3rd and my back left tire for whatever reason made a terrible skidding noise and my car slowed down. Besides feeling unnatural it is dicey obviously and I will never use it again personally.

You have to be flooring the pedal in order for it to work properly. Keep the throttle pinned through the entire gear change or what you describe will happen.

GTSLOW · 10-12-2019, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tubtub

So I have a 19 ss 1le, I've used NLS several times and it has worked well sometimes and 2 times it had not. One time I was just messing around on the road and the transmission made a terrible noise and the gear got stuck, the other time I was at the track shifting from 2nd to 3rd and my back left tire for whatever reason made a terrible skidding noise and my car slowed down. Besides feeling unnatural it is dicey obviously and I will never use it again personally.

Well this is certainly a bizzare thread necro...

Anways, by ignoring NLS you're missing out on something that makes the 1LE different from the SS. The 1LE gets a specific lower RPM target range. I believe it's 5,300? Makes for a much smoother NLS. Also, if you're having issues with NLS it is more than likely operator error. I.E., not WOT, shifting to early, taking to long to shift, or executing a NLS in low traction situations.

Warrior102 · 10-12-2019, 10:18 AM

After forty years of driving a manual it took a bit to "not" let up on the gas, I found practicing on 2nd to 3rd shifts made it easier as things don't happen as fast.

carguy55 · 10-12-2019, 12:25 PM

An easy way to practice it is during the 3-4 shift. The 2-3 is a little more tricky. I use it a lot on long straights. Here's a little demo I made

Norm Peterson · 10-13-2019, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warrior102

After forty years of driving a manual it took a bit to "not" let up on the gas,

. . . I'm not a bit surprised . . . bet there was a few cars along the way that didn't even have rev limiters.

Norm

HouseStark · 10-13-2019, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tubtub

So I have a 19 ss 1le, I've used NLS several times and it has worked well sometimes and 2 times it had not. One time I was just messing around on the road and the transmission made a terrible noise and the gear got stuck, the other time I was at the track shifting from 2nd to 3rd and my back left tire for whatever reason made a terrible skidding noise and my car slowed down. Besides feeling unnatural it is dicey obviously and I will never use it again personally.

It's definitely some getting used and I personally don't like. However, in a drag racing scenario I dropped 3 tenths using NLS versus tradition. That being said I don't see the benefits on a road course or on the streets where we aren't racing anyways.

It definitely took me some getting used too particularly the mental barrier. If you use it under 5k it won't work so that could be your grinding noise. NLS only engages in Sport/Sport Competitive and Track/PTM modes. If you drag race in touring you won't have to worry about it engaging because it doesn't in Touring mode. I've never had any of the issues you describe except for the rear end breaking lose on one of our normal streets.

vtirocz · 10-13-2019, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HouseStark

It's definitely some getting used and I personally don't like. However, in a drag racing scenario I dropped 3 tenths using NLS versus tradition. That being said I don't see the benefits on a road course or on the streets where we aren't racing anyways.

It definitely took me some getting used too particularly the mental barrier. If you use it under 5k it won't work so that could be your grinding noise. NLS only engages in Sport/Sport Competitive and Track/PTM modes. If you drag race in touring you won't have to worry about it engaging because it doesn't in Touring mode. I've never had any of the issues you describe except for the rear end breaking lose on one of our normal streets.

FYI: The no lift shift feature works in any mode, not just sport or track: https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=513327

RobbyBeefcake87 · 10-13-2019, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtirocz

FYI: The no lift shift feature works in any mode, not just sport or track: https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=513327

This..

My only issue seems to be that if rev match is engaged nls seems to be a lot more sensitive to any throttle let off. It works flawlessly without rev match on every time as long as I do my part. I've only ever had issues with it when rev match is on. Idk if I'm letting off the throttle like 2% and the systems are getting confused or what the deal is but with rev match on I've almost been locked out of a gear before or it wouldn't cooperate.

GTASS1LE · 10-25-2019, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HouseStark

It's definitely some getting used and I personally don't like. However, in a drag racing scenario I dropped 3 tenths using NLS versus tradition. That being said I don't see the benefits on a road course or on the streets where we aren't racing anyways.

Wouldn't you be able to shave tenths on a road course as well?

Laststandard · 10-25-2019, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTASS1LE

Wouldn't you be able to shave tenths on a road course as well?

Possibly.. but if you have to fight your brain to execute the NLS and it throws you off for the next corner you'll lose much more time than you could gain.

I find I switch back and forth on track. I'm fairly used to using NLS now but sometimes the brain is just too occupied with other things.

HouseStark · 11-08-2019, 08:58 AM

I think there's a fair amount of confusion going on in this thread. In vast summary of a thread dedicated to explaining this, NLS is automatically engaged from 5k rpm to redline in Sport/Track mode including all Modes within those. It does not engage in Touring mode. So for the people saying they've never experienced NLS either your in Sport/Track and never went above 5k or you drive in Touring mode. If it engages and you try to shift traditionally it will be very jarring and unpleasant. Me personally I wish I could disable it even though I picked up 3 tenths in quarter with then w/out it. On a road course that's irrelevant so I'd rather not have it.

10-16-2016, 09:09 AM	#57
Norm Peterson corner barstool sitter Drives: 08 Mustang GT, 19 WRX Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Eastern Time Zone Posts: 6,990	I'm afraid you're still under-estimating the difficulty here. It's one thing to understand on an intellectual level that it's going to work, but that doesn't get you past a 53+ year driving lifetime of not having enough interest in drag racing or its street cousin to have had any desire to learn the harsh shifting techniques used there. A drive it, drive smoothly, don't break it outlook and a driving history that includes things like inline sixxes, 1-barrel carbs, 3 on the tree shifters, iron-case Saginaw 4-speeds, and 7.5" 10-bolt axles behind 305's (and later 350's) are also working against easily accepting this technology. As to having faith in similar systems - I try pretty hard to avoid letting any of them get interested in what's going on and manage to do so virtually all of the time. The time or two a year that I might make some engine kiss its rev limiter or have an ABS event in some car means I screwed up, which I tend to take personally as an insult of my own making. There's a difference between being thankful for the technology having saved you (and leaving it at that until the next time) and being annoyed that the technology felt it had to step in like a teenager's driver's-ed/permit instructor in a dual-control car might have to. Norm __________________ '08 GT coupe 5M (the occasional track toy) '19 WRX 6M (the family sedan . . . seriously)

10-10-2019, 01:05 AM	#58
Tubtub Drives: 2019 Chevrolet Camaro 1SS 1LE Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Washington Posts: 27	So I have a 19 ss 1le, I've used NLS several times and it has worked well sometimes and 2 times it had not. One time I was just messing around on the road and the transmission made a terrible noise and the gear got stuck, the other time I was at the track shifting from 2nd to 3rd and my back left tire for whatever reason made a terrible skidding noise and my car slowed down. Besides feeling unnatural it is dicey obviously and I will never use it again personally.

10-12-2019, 10:18 AM	#62
Warrior102 USCG Retired (MKC) Drives: 2018 2SS 1LE Black Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Cape Cod Posts: 673	After forty years of driving a manual it took a bit to "not" let up on the gas, I found practicing on 2nd to 3rd shifts made it easier as things don't happen as fast.

11-08-2019, 08:58 AM	#70
HouseStark Drives: 2018 Camaro SS 1LE Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: United States Posts: 225	I think there's a fair amount of confusion going on in this thread. In vast summary of a thread dedicated to explaining this, NLS is automatically engaged from 5k rpm to redline in Sport/Track mode including all Modes within those. It does not engage in Touring mode. So for the people saying they've never experienced NLS either your in Sport/Track and never went above 5k or you drive in Touring mode. If it engages and you try to shift traditionally it will be very jarring and unpleasant. Me personally I wish I could disable it even though I picked up 3 tenths in quarter with then w/out it. On a road course that's irrelevant so I'd rather not have it.

User Name		Remember Me?
Password