[SSport16]

Yeah the C8 has a completely different transmissions than the A8, like mentioned above an 8 speed dual clutch transmissions, no torque converter, that is built by Tremec...completely different animal!

[oldman]

just want to add in, that I was correct on the ZL1 only being marginally quicker and it is actually slightly slower in the 1/4 mile vs the base. That said, I like the base with no spoiler, later on I'd probably upgrade to a cast off Zl1 header... cause it is so nice...

[VegasZ]

It pushed me to a 2020 ZL1 instead. Not because it was mid engine the new car looks awesome IMO but not having a manual tranny was a deal breaker. Even as much as I love the way it looks every time I get to use my own clutch I know I made the right decision. I have driven cars with good dual clutch manuals before my last car was a 2012 M3 with one and they’re fun for a minute or maybe track days but I could just never get over not having control of the clutch. It just took all the fun out of the driving experience so it doesn’t matter how amazing the c8 is if it doesn’t have a manual option I will never have it :(

[oldman]

Bet there will be deals on C7 manuals too. I already have a M6 manual and yes I like it, I had a 69 Z/28 so yep, I like manuals. But I have to be realistic, I'm old and getting older, I like to street fight, the DCT will provide booth albeit less fun.

You will be like me on the M6 6th gen, it will HARD to apply power to the ground and the auto guys will be "gunning" for you.... sure the M6 can do it, but it takes perfect power application via right foot. I like you am proud that I can still slam a stick but I will admit that a far less powerful A8 / A10 Camaro or Mustang will eat my lunch given equivalent drivers...

[avarshav]

it moved me to a 2020 SS 1LE manual last month the day before thanksgiving. ever since I found out the C8 was auto only, it got me thinking that the days of the manual are numbered. I have been scanning local lots in middle tennessee for 6 months for a 6 spd camaro until I found my 1LE last month. no regrets. I figure I will have the rest of my life to buy an automatic sports car, there is no rush, but the days of being able to walk in a showroom to buy a manual are numbered, so if you've ever wanted one, may as well do it now.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by avarshav

it moved me to a 2020 SS 1LE manual last month the day before thanksgiving. ever since I found out the C8 was auto only, it got me thinking that the days of the manual are numbered. I have been scanning local lots in middle tennessee for 6 months for a 6 spd camaro until I found my 1LE last month. no regrets. I figure I will have the rest of my life to buy an automatic sports car, there is no rush, but the days of being able to walk in a showroom to buy a manual are numbered, so if you've ever wanted one, may as well do it now.

Lets be clear, the C8 is NOT an AUTO only. It's a DCT. Huge difference. If you haven't driven one look for the opportunity.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Lets be clear, the C8 is NOT an AUTO only. It's a DCT. Huge difference. If you haven't driven one look for the opportunity.

True. It's basically an automated manual trans with two clutches (thus the name) where one of the clutches always has the next gear "ready" (thus the lightning fast shifts). A bit of an over-simplification, but not wrong. AMTs have been around for a while and still sell in high numbers in South America and China (very inexpensive). Dual Clutch is the natural evolution of AMTs with the additional clutch plus some very serious electronic controls technology.

Most DCT manufacturers also make manual transmissions since the design and manufacture of the hardware, like layshafts and input / output gear are nearly identical. Makes sense that Tremec would be great at it, given their proficiency with MT.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

True. It's basically an automated manual trans with two clutches (thus the name) where one of the clutches always has the next gear "ready" (thus the lightning fast shifts). A bit of an over-simplification, but not wrong. AMTs have been around for a while and still sell in high numbers in South America and China (very inexpensive). Dual Clutch is the natural evolution of AMTs with the additional clutch plus some very serious electronic controls technology.

Most DCT manufacturers also make manual transmissions since the design and manufacture of the hardware, like layshafts and input / output gear are nearly identical. Makes sense that Tremec would be great at it, given their proficiency with MT.

Sorry, Jim. I don't see it as an over simplification at all. The C8 will not have an automatic transmission. It's effectively a manual transmission that requires no clutch pedal or shift lever. As you pointed out, AMTs have been around for some time now and in my industry help deliver optimal fuel efficiency for Class 8 trucks. But they are still considered a manual transmission, hence the name, Automated Manual Transmission.

If you want to pick at the fact that a DCT "automatically shifts" so therefor it is an automatic transmission, well you can have your po-tah-toe and I'll have my Po-tay-toe.

Now if you want to go back pre bankruptcy when the mid engine C7 was being worked and GM put a torque converter in front of the DCT to correct the drivability problems rampant at the time, then that blurs the discussion a little bit more. But those drivability problems around town were the result of the DCT being a manual transmission and not an automatic.

[keystonemedical]

Originally Posted by avarshav

it moved me to a 2020 SS 1LE manual last month the day before thanksgiving. ever since I found out the C8 was auto only, it got me thinking that the days of the manual are numbered. I have been scanning local lots in middle tennessee for 6 months for a 6 spd camaro until I found my 1LE last month. no regrets. I figure I will have the rest of my life to buy an automatic sports car, there is no rush, but the days of being able to walk in a showroom to buy a manual are numbered, so if you've ever wanted one, may as well do it now.

My toy cars have always been manual transmissions. Im not at the point in my life yet were I feel otherwise. If and when I get to that point, odds are Ill buy the mid engine Vette, its sexy no doubt. GM finally got the Vette right after all these years of trying. If somehow, someway they make the manual transmission as a option on the Vette, Ill buy one. Until then Im in love with my ZL1 / LE for awhile.

[hawk02]

I was mildly interested in the C8 when it was first announced. The lack of a manual transmission option cooled some of my enthusiasm for the car. My last three Camaro have all had MTs. Heck, even my license plate says "I Shift". However, when the hardtop convertible (HTC) was announced, all my reservations about the lack of an MT went out the door. So much so that I've put a deposit down on C8 HTC. The more I learn about DCTs the more excited I get about having one in the C8.

I plan to keep my Camaro. I've got too much invested in the car. It will be nice to have it around for those days when I want to row through the gears. It will be interesting to see how much it gets driven after the C8 arrives.

[jvandy50]

Originally Posted by keystonemedical

My toy cars have always been manual transmissions. Im not at the point in my life yet were I feel otherwise. If and when I get to that point, odds are Ill buy the mid engine Vette, its sexy no doubt. GM finally got the Vette right after all these years of trying. If somehow, someway they make the manual transmission as a option on the Vette, Ill buy one. Until then Im in love with my ZL1 / LE for awhile.

The gt350 having no torque(and being junk in my case), then finding out the GT500 and C8 weren’t gonna have manuals is exactly why I’m in a ZLE. And man what a fun car!

Now, if any variant of the street going vettes look like the C8.R i may have to rethink this decision, sell a kidney, etc.

[roger1]

The current automatics in the Camaro and Corvette outperform manuals on the track, strip and street.

Time to forget about manual transmissions IMO. If you want the nostalgia, buy an older car.

[Aragorn]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Lets be clear, the C8 is NOT an AUTO only. It's a DCT. Huge difference. If you haven't driven one look for the opportunity.

I think that as far as this person is concerned a DCT might as will be an automatic.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Sorry, Jim. I don't see it as an over simplification at all. The C8 will not have an automatic transmission. It's effectively a manual transmission that requires no clutch pedal or shift lever. As you pointed out, AMTs have been around for some time now and in my industry help deliver optimal fuel efficiency for Class 8 trucks. But they are still considered a manual transmission, hence the name, Automated Manual Transmission.

If you want to pick at the fact that a DCT "automatically shifts" so therefor it is an automatic transmission, well you can have your po-tah-toe and I'll have my Po-tay-toe.

Now if you want to go back pre bankruptcy when the mid engine C7 was being worked and GM put a torque converter in front of the DCT to correct the drivability problems rampant at the time, then that blurs the discussion a little bit more. But those drivability problems around town were the result of the DCT being a manual transmission and not an automatic.

By the time I left GM the way we categorized transmissions was:

• Automated
• Non-Automated (aka manual)

Then automated was further categorized as:

• CVT
• DCT
• EVT (some hybrids and most EVs)
• Planetary

DCT is definitely not automatic in the sense of the hydro-pneumatic planetary transmissions we've gotten used to since the mid 1950's, but it is "automatic" in that it decides when to shift so that the driver doesn't have to. I'd still prefer to say it has an automated transmission, since there is already a pretty firm expectation of what is an automatic. That does pretty much make it po-tay-to / po-tah-to.