[newmoon]

Just for fun stopped by the Dodge dealership in Cary NC hoping to see a 1320 in person (wasting time as we are evacuees from Dorian). No 1320s in stock but there were two HC RE widebody in the showroom priced at 95k. Ouch.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

I honestly, much to the dismay of RT owners, don't consider the 5.7 a true pony car. It's like the v6+ lol. The 392 has it's hands full with the GT and SS as it is. 5.7 is s tier below.

Originally Posted by newmoon

The 5.7 is along the lines of the V6 Camaro and Eco Mustang. Nice car especially for the price for folks who want the looks but don't need the power.

Exactly

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Just for fun stopped by the Dodge dealership in Cary NC hoping to see a 1320 in person (wasting time as we are evacuees from Dorian). No 1320s in stock but there were two HC RE widebody in the showroom priced at 95k. Ouch.

Damn. Sorry to hear that. Hope all works out when you return home.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by newmoon

The 5.7 is along the lines of the V6 Camaro and Eco Mustang. Nice car especially for the price for folks who want the looks but don't need the power.

I agree, but don't go telling an R/T challanger guy that! I do think the 4 door charger 5.7 is a respectable family car

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Which one overheated after 1 lap tho? That is an important part that gets left out. Yea lets take both cars around a track and blast them to high hell...but only for one lap because the GT won't be able to go a second lap.

So no they are not close enough when they are both pushed and one can't go more than the first lap without hitting limp mode.

The GT is not a balanced vehicle as seen in the fact that Ford threw those aggressive tires on it and the suspension and cooling system can't keep up. Ford did that because they are a gimmick manufacturer. They threw those tires on so that they could say "look, or GT can now hang with the SLE" even tho it overheated after that lap. It's like trying to hang out with rich people and spending a shit load of money in one night but then being broke for the next 7 months while they can do it every night.


And overheating...

I was talking with a guy on M6G that tracks his PP2, and he says he can go about 1/2 hour before the warning. More than a single lap. That one mag. I believe said it would get diff. warnings after 3 hot laps, I believe. So, the 1 lap limp mode is an exaggeration.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

But I do tend to disregard R/Ts because around here they are “fast family cars” that seem to think they can outrun anything because they have a Hemi. That was the point Idaho was making. By calling the Mustang GT 6MT the slowest pony car, I mistakenly implied that Mustang GT 6MT was slower than Challenger R/T. Because I often discuss how out of control Challenger R/T drivers have gotten in our area, I am obviously aware they exist.

Ha, yes, that was my point. You must have been trying to forget those bad memories of Challenger R/T drivers...

I also think what Newmoon is saying is that if you take the top spec. trim level (GT*, SS A10, and 1320) the SS is the slowest with its 12.2 sec 1/4 mile (although I couldn't find a 1320 mag. test after a quick google search).

So it all depends on how you look at it. GT M6 is tied with a 6.4 Challenger M6 (both 12.6 with the GT M6 +3 mph trap speed), the SS M6 is only 0.1 sec behind the SS A10/A8 with the same trap speed (consistency being preached by the Camaro faithful). The GT* is a tenth ahead of the SS A10, and the 1320, IIRC has yet to be tested by the major mag. publications.

My opinion is that if the roles were reversed, and the GT was the 12.2-12.3 car, and the SS was the 12.1-12.6 car, Camaro faithful would trumpet the 12.1 since it is an available option on the car from the factory, just as the Mustang boys do.

All in good fun.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

I was talking with a guy on M6G that tracks his PP2, and he says he can go about 1/2 hour before the warning. More than a single lap. That one mag. I believe said it would get diff. warnings after 3 hot laps, I believe. So, the 1 lap limp mode is an exaggeration.

Let's put this in perspective. 30 min vs literally all day. All day for EVERY SS, SLE, ZL1, ZLE. No special package. No boxes to check no statement in the manual about "canyon carving" or "not intended for serious track use".

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

I honestly, much to the dismay of RT owners, don't consider the 5.7 a true pony car. It's like the v6+ lol. The 392 has it's hands full with the GT and SS as it is. 5.7 is s tier below.

Ha, the world we live in where a 375 hp car is weak. Remember when the C4 ZR1 came out? It had 375 hp and it was dubbed "King" (of course it was 1/2 ton lighter than the R/T).

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Let's put this in perspective. 30 min vs literally all day. All day for EVERY SS, SLE, ZL1, ZLE. No special package. No boxes to check no statement in the manual about "canyon carving" or "not intended for serious track use".

Yes, I realize this. It's too bad PP2 didn't come with the coolers. No doubt that was short sightedness by the Ford engineering team.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Ha, yes, that was my point. You must have been trying to forget those bad memories of Challenger R/T drivers...

I also think what Newmoon is saying is that if you take the top spec. trim level (GT*, SS A10, and 1320) the SS is the slowest with its 12.2 sec 1/4 mile (although I couldn't find a 1320 mag. test after a quick google search).

So it all depends on how you look at it. GT M6 is tied with a 6.4 Challenger M6 (both 12.6 with the GT M6 +3 mph trap speed), the SS M6 is only 0.1 sec behind the SS A10/A8 with the same trap speed (consistency being preached by the Camaro faithful). The GT* is a tenth ahead of the SS A10, and the 1320, IIRC has yet to be tested by the major mag. publications.

My opinion is that if the roles were reversed, and the GT was the 12.2-12.3 car, and the SS was the 12.1-12.6 car, Camaro faithful would trumpet the 12.1 since it is an available option on the car from the factory, just as the Mustang boys do.

All in good fun.

I think we can all agree that the 5.7 Dodge isnt even worth mentioning lol.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Just for fun stopped by the Dodge dealership in Cary NC hoping to see a 1320 in person (wasting time as we are evacuees from Dorian). No 1320s in stock but there were two HC RE widebody in the showroom priced at 95k. Ouch.

Sorry to hear that, hopefully life gets back on track for you all in the costal NC areas soon.

I went and looked at one recently, 90k but definitely sharp looking and distinguished from any other challanger.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Sorry to hear that, hopefully life gets back on track for you all in the costal NC areas soon.

I went and looked at one recently, 90k but definitely sharp looking and distinguished from any other challanger.

I briefly considered a challenger hellcat when I was shopping for a new car last fall but didn’t even test drive one for all the reasons Blaq mentioned. They look good from most angles and are Uber powerful, but everything else was a no go for me. I didn’t want to get hypnotized by the 707 hp and overlook all the other drawbacks (for me).

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Ha, yes, that was my point. You must have been trying to forget those bad memories of Challenger R/T drivers...

Exactly. Just had that fun on my way back from the Chevy dealer, literally 10 minutes ago.

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

I also think what Newmoon is saying is that if you take the top spec. trim level (GT*, SS A10, and 1320) the SS is the slowest with its 12.2 sec 1/4 mile (although I couldn't find a 1320 mag. test after a quick google search). [/b]

I get that and have on many occasions conceded that this is true. The issue that newmoon and I tend to go ‘round and ‘round about is he presents this as though every 2018-19 GT A10 is faster than every 2016 - 19 SS. That is demonstrably not true, yet newmoon chooses to sidestep that fact. The majority of stock Mustang GT A10s in the free world are just a tick behind SS A8 and A10. But they are still fantastic cars, so there is no shame in that at all. The GT* has a little extra that notches it above the SS in 0-60 and 1/4 mile performance. But those are only in the hands of a very select few, you included.

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

So it all depends on how you look at it. GT M6 is tied with a 6.4 Challenger M6 (both 12.6 with the GT M6 +3 mph trap speed), the SS M6 is only 0.1 sec behind the SS A10/A8 with the same trap speed (consistency being preached by the Camaro faithful). The GT* is a tenth ahead of the SS A10, and the 1320, IIRC has yet to be tested by the major mag. publications.

My opinion is that if the roles were reversed, and the GT was the 12.2-12.3 car, and the SS was the 12.1-12.6 car, Camaro faithful would trumpet the 12.1 since it is an available option on the car from the factory, just as the Mustang boys do.

All in good fun.

I don’t know. It seems that most here give the GT* its due. I would like to believe that we would also be fair in acknowledging that if it took a special configuration of SS to top it, we would not arbitrarily imply that this makes all SS faster than all GT. It’s all trim-for-trim stuff. And you are right, it’s all in good fun. Even though I give him $#!t, if I were to run into newmoon in Michigan or NC or parts in between, I’d buy him a beer and have a blast talking crap with him.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Exactly. Just had that fun on my way back from the Chevy dealer, literally 10 minutes ago.



I get that and have on many occasions conceded that this is true. The issue that newmoon and I tend to go ‘round and ‘round about is he presents this as though every 2018-19 GT A10 is faster than every 2016 - 19 SS. That is demonstrably not true, yet newmoon chooses to sidestep that fact. The majority of stock Mustang GT A10s in the free world are just a tick behind SS A8 and A10. But they are still fantastic cars, so there is no shame in that at all. The GT* has a little extra that notches it above the SS in 0-60 and 1/4 mile performance. But those are only in the hands of a very select few, you included.



I don’t know. It seems that most here give the GT* its due. I would like to believe that we would also be fair in acknowledging that if it took a special configuration of SS to top it, we would not arbitrarily imply that this makes all SS faster than all GT. It’s all trim-for-trim stuff. And you are right, it’s all in good fun. Even though I give him $#!t, if I were to run into newmoon in Michigan or NC or parts in between, I’d buy him a beer and have a blast talking crap with him.

Agree with the beer comment! Most Mustang/Camaro guys would get along better in person; internet anonymity tends to bring out more aggression than most would exhibit in public.

Yes, it is true that not all '18+ GTs are faster than all 16+ SSs. I am curious, though, what a publication like C&D or MT would get with a base GT A10. None were tested that I'm aware of. I'm guessing around 12.3 @ 118 mph. The PP1 has the lower geared torsen rear end, and the fatter, stickier tires, and drag mode, but the base A10 GT is something like 75 lbs lighter than the PP1 (depending on how they are optioned), which helps offset some of the acceleration gain advantages the PP1 has.