[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by oldman

You must be reading my mind... I don't mind buying somebodys low millage cast-off, I'm not proud.

I might even watch for new ones that end up sitting on the lot, might be a deal to be had there too.

[c4racer]

Originally Posted by Number 3

I thought you were referring to the price of a C8 ZR1 coming down. My point was the other "reasonably priced" mid engine competitors have not come down as much as you are hoping in order to be able to afford the ZR1.

If you meant C7 ZR1, then maybe. C6 ZR1s can be had for $60,000 plus or minus depending on model year. 2012 with 50,000 miles on Autotrader for $56,000

exactly. Mid engine is interesting, it is not the only way to go fast. 911 isn't mid engine for example - the engine is in a terrible place actually.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by c4racer

exactly. Mid engine is interesting, it is not the only way to go fast. 911 isn't mid engine for example - the engine is in a terrible place actually.

Yep I would agree on the street once the back lets go, physics means your 911 is in the ditch. That said with cubic money the special wershelakensmear versions are impressive but we are looking at $35000 brake and wheel combinations at that point

I would not call it "terrible", just not ideal, and one can get away with a lot more on a smooth track than on the street. Just ask Paul Walker.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by Number 3

I thought you were referring to the price of a C8 ZR1 coming down. My point was the other "reasonably priced" mid engine competitors have not come down as much as you are hoping in order to be able to afford the ZR1.

If you meant C7 ZR1, then maybe. C6 ZR1s can be had for $60,000 plus or minus depending on model year. 2012 with 50,000 miles on Autotrader for $56,000

I've always said if you can't afford a new BMW, then for sure you can't afford an old BMW. Your price points go out the door as soon as something breaks on that 50,000 mile heavily abused ZR1..... just saying.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by oldman

Yep I would agree on the street once the back lets go, physics means your 911 is in the ditch. That said with cubic money the special wershelakensmear versions are impressive but we are looking at $35000 brake and wheel combinations at that point

I would not call it "terrible", just not ideal, and one can get away with a lot more on a smooth track than on the street. Just ask Paul Walker.

The accident that killed Paul Walker involved a Porsche Carrera GT, a mid-engine layout, not rear like the 911.

[c4racer]

Originally Posted by oldman

I've always said if you can't afford a new BMW, then for sure you can't afford an old BMW. Your price points go out the door as soon as something breaks on that 50,000 mile heavily abused ZR1..... just saying.

ZR1 is still a Corvette. BMW is an entirely different situation. I have owned 8 of those.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by c4racer

ZR1 is still a Corvette. BMW is an entirely different situation. I have owned 8 of those.

They are both expensive to fix is the point.....

[oldman]

Originally Posted by Number 3

The accident that killed Paul Walker involved a Porsche Carrera GT, a mid-engine layout, not rear like the 911.

and the rear engine layout is even worst off the track...

[c4racer]

Originally Posted by oldman

They are both expensive to fix is the point.....

Yes absolutely agree. But my point was that a BMW is far more likely to break than a corvette ! Certainly in my experience owning more than a dozen between the two.

[6spdhyperblue]

Originally Posted by c4racer

Yes absolutely agree. But my point was that a BMW is far more likely to break than a corvette ! Certainly in my experience owning more than a dozen between the two.

Same here

[oldman]

Originally Posted by c4racer

Yes absolutely agree. But my point was that a BMW is far more likely to break than a corvette ! Certainly in my experience owning more than a dozen between the two.

Oh, agree there, that is one other reason I dreamed of a Pantera... you could go down to Napa and order head gaskets

I do some Boxter work and my god thoese parts are crazy expensive.

My first BMW was a 2000 CS, not a 2002 (my bro had one), then a 2800 CS, I put a cam ported head 3 liter in it, tripple Delortos. Actually was quite good at the twin Zeniths. Or the 38 / 38 Weber downdraft not the 32 /36... Holley actually had a line of progressive 350 CFM two bbls (not vacuum 4 bbls).... worked great. And you guys don't think I know cars..

I was full into Toyota twin cam and BMW performace till the first M3 and I jumpu ship to buy two Shelby GLH-S that I use to troll Mustangs, Camaros and Gran National with, you know the GM with the intercooler behind the radiator... I was working in Silicon Valley at the time lots of money in that area... there were a few Shoguns in the Valley.... Anyway I'd be down the backroads for the impromptu test and tunes That Shelby ripped..... I think I was up 22 PSI on a G big valve head. I had CRE ( a big tuner back then) build me a LSD for the 523 trans... Only one in existence I sure. Also had a turbo 3TG twin cam Hemi punched to 2.0 liters on a 3tc block, in a Corolla Coupe 1972. 10,000 RPM 304 HKS cams, Yamaha head, would blow the trans up and finnaly put in a Supra W50 trans.... even with 8 dowels and graded bolts the flywheel would sometimes rip off the crank... it was about as fast as my 440 Dart which was also built.. Norm would fit right in my garage back then. Never liked Mustangs in general engine to flimsy to hold any real power not like a 440 Mopar or small block Chevy.. I guess if I were made out of money I would buy the Boss block...

https://e9coupe.com/forum/threads/tw...-webers.12850/

Just checked and there is a tuner building LSD retros... in case anybody wants to go racing LOL, those were the days. BTW in case you guys are in the market, the Oldlady's Mini S rides just like the GLH-S... she loves it, the car is a hoot to drive, but you don't have to go back 30 years just hop into a Mini S, it is like a GLH-S in everyway right down to the rattles and electric Gremlins eating the wires.
https://www.tractionconcepts.com/200...tcxdcpcus5.htm

[c4racer]

Pantera is same issue I think we will see with the C8.
The transaxle is uber rare and expensive. I’ve heard $15K on the pantera.
Guessing it will be similar cost for the C8 transaxle too.

Super cool cars tho. I would love to have one.

[roger1]

I'm presently a Corvette owner, a 2008 model.
My past owned Corvettes are '66,'69,'85,'90 and '95.
The last Camaro I've owned is the '69 in my avatar. I drove that through my college years.

It's time for me to make a change with my 2008 Vette. I really want to go with an automatic. A couple of things are pushing me to go back to a Camaro.

My choices are to buy a new C8 Corvette or find a new 2019 C7 still on the lot. The new C8 just doesn't seem practical for me. Less space and higher cost. I can afford it but I always look at the amount of fun per dollar when I want something new. The Camaro seems to fit that aspect. I also like the idea of an A10 transmission over the A8. I'm guessing the A8 in the C8 is a new design but the C7 A8 suffers from the same issues as the Camaro A8.

I'm going to give the 2020 LT1 a hard look. I like the sleeper idea. However, I have thought about finding a new 2019 2SS on a lot after the discounts for it being last year's model start kicking in.

[Baldilocks01SS]

Originally Posted by roger1

I'm presently a Corvette owner, a 2008 model.
My past owned Corvettes are '66,'69,'85,'90 and '95.
The last Camaro I've owned is the '69 in my avatar. I drove that through my college years.

It's time for me to make a change with my 2008 Vette. I really want to go with an automatic. A couple of things are pushing me to go back to a Camaro.

My choices are to buy a new C8 Corvette or find a new 2019 C7 still on the lot. The new C8 just doesn't seem practical for me. Less space and higher cost. I can afford it but I always look at the amount of fun per dollar when I want something new. The Camaro seems to fit that aspect. I also like the idea of an A10 transmission over the A8. I'm guessing the A8 in the C8 is a new design but the C7 A8 suffers from the same issues as the Camaro A8.

I'm going to give the 2020 LT1 a hard look. I like the sleeper idea. However, I have thought about finding a new 2019 2SS on a lot after the discounts for it being last year's model start kicking in.

The gearbox in the new Corvette is a dual clutch design -- nothing at all in common with either the A8 from the C7 Corvette or the A10 in Camaro.