[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Who the blank cares about configurations either you are the fastest or your not, stop reaching for excuses. Instead try and figure out why the lighter more powerful SS is slower even with the same A10, that everyone in here claimed was the only reason the GT was quicker, and why the GT traps several mph faster, despite a large torque deficit throughout the powerband.

Is a Mustang actually the fastest in the segment at anything? All your talk about "either you are the fastest or you are not" yet the Mustang cant beat a Challenger in a 1/4 mile or a Camaro anywhere there is a turn. Hell the GT* couldn't beat a 365hp Kia on an unprepped surface.

[BlaqWhole]

The thing is, GM walked on stage with the SS in 2016. It changed everything. They spiked the ball and walked off the field. They returned with the SLE and the ZL1 while everyone was still recovering from the ass whooping the SS laid on them. Then a year later they dropped the ZLE...followed up by the ZR1...and then the C8. In between all that was the Z06 and GS destroying everything in sight.

GM shows up, murders the scene, and then goes on to something else. Whatever they build is soo far ahead of the competition that even years later the cars are still competitive while remaining untouched.

What happened in the Ford camp? Oh. The GT in 2015 gained weight, handled poorly, and got slower despite having more HP while on a new chassis. The GT350 showed up swinging at an out going 5th Gen Z28 that GM clearly walked away from. Why Ford thought they needed to focus on battling the Z28 in it's final year without realizing that something monstrous was right around the corner was just stupid. So the GT350R showed up which was impressively slower than everything in it's price range even while having no options. Oh and a Ford GT showed up costing half a million dollars. The GT350R gets it's ass kicked. The GT350 gets it's ass kicked by the SLE. The SHelbys start overheating and catching on fire...some dude almost burns to a crisp, they all get recalled, Ford has to re-do the entire Mustang GT (2018), then it has to be redone again (PP2), they overheat...SMH. Then the GT500 is supposed to come out in 2018...uh no, 2019...oh wait, 2020. 180 MPH limiter...4200 pounds...$94K...then there was the Bullitt...

Meanwhile over in Dodge...advertise advertise advertise. Advertise the hell out of the Hellcat/Redeye/Demon...but sell the RTs with the 5.7L and 385 HP which would have been popular and impressive back in 1998. Hellcat Hellcat Hellcat commercials...let's take a Hellcat, remove the options, and stick the SRT8 engine in it and call it a "1320"...let's take a Hellcat and throw a bigger blower on it and call it a "Redeye"...Redeye costs $90K when options are added to it...let's take the Hellcat hood and throw it on every trim...even the V6s? Yes. Even the V6s. Throw Hellcat hoods on everything including the V6s. Oh what if we add flares to it and call it a "Widebody"?? Hmm...what else can we do with the Hellcat...??

Oh but according to people who don't own any of the cars being discussed, the 18 GT is faster than the Camaro SS on a dried up river bed after a full mile, the GT350R is the preferred car based on the opinion of 2 people that none of us ever met, and the non-Hellcat I mean "1320" can run an 11.8. So yea, big things happening over at Ford and Dodge.

Then GM unleashes the C8 under $60K Base and under $65K Z51 that goes 0-60 in less than 3 seconds with both cars doing a low 11 sec quarter and both cars being faster top speed than a 760 HP supercharged Mustang and the game is soo lopsided that it isn't even fair to the competition any more.

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[LS6-M22]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

I agree with you Shaffe 100% stock the LT1 will be a little slower than the SS. But the LT1 will be the car to buy and mod the hell out of.

Makes me wonder if you can just order the LT1 with the A10 and summer tires then. Lighter car with the same tires as the SS. I dont know about the suspension settings but if its not as stiff as the SS maybe it can transfer the weight a little better for a quicker launch.....

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Baldilocks01SS

One trick pony? You just described all Challengers.

This is funny... not to mention the 1320 is a badass stock car for drag racing but I bet on a roll race it's not better than the 392s that were getting spanked before it... literally only good from 1/4 drag racing at a drag strip.

[DaveC113]

Pretty embarrassing for the Mustang!

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

The answer to your question is No it is not.

Now answer MY questions....

Q1: Based on the configurations of cars sold, is a 2019 Camaro SS more likely to pull up to a 2019 Mustang GT that it can beat or not? I say yes, because most Mustang GTs on dealer lots are NOT PP1 + A10.

Q2: Is the Mustang GT M6 the slowest of the current Domestic 3 pony cars? I say yes. What say you? (or anyone else who chooses to chime in)

The GT m6 is the slowest by far, even slower than the 12.5 gt350. We're also crediting the GT a10 pp1 as the slightly faster car according to a few magazine tests, as the real world shows contradicting results.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by LS6-M22

Makes me wonder if you can just order the LT1 with the A10 and summer tires then. Lighter car with the same tires as the SS. I dont know about the suspension settings but if its not as stiff as the SS maybe it can transfer the weight a little better for a quicker launch.....

I don't know what the LT1 will have as a available options but wheels and tires are the first thing I would upgrade. I would just buy different wheels and DRs.

The best part of the LT1 is it is cheaper and doesn't come with things you dont need. I'm sure someone like Fraxum will take one and make a monster out of it.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Who the blank cares about configurations either you are the fastest or your not, stop reaching for excuses. Instead try and figure out why the lighter more powerful SS is slower even with the same A10, that everyone in here claimed was the only reason the GT was quicker, and why the GT traps several mph faster, despite a large torque deficit throughout the powerband.

And most drivers in a Mustang GT who pull up next to a Camaro SS at a stop light are not. And now I have confidence that my lower hp heavier convertible can take a higher hp coupe Bullitt. Maybe you can try figuring that out.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

The GT m6 is the slowest by far, even slower than the 12.5 gt350. We're also crediting the GT a10 pp1 as the slightly faster car according to a few magazine tests, as the real world shows contradicting results.

Yeah, but since the GT PP1 A10 is faster then ALL GTs are faster. Didn’t you get the memo? Just like since a Challenger Hellcat can roast an SS, so can an R/T. I mean they both have Hemis, right? At least that’s how every other Challenger R/T driver behaves in the Detroit area.

So....the GT PP1 A10 is faster than an SS. And an M6 pick-a-trim-level GT is the slowest pony car. So which one is the “REAL” GT? Yes, people, trim levels matter. That’s why Ford has so many of them. Choose wisely.

[95 imp]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Better platform I will agree with you on that Chevy did a great job, styling IMO the nod goes to the GT and Challenger.

A real styling coup! Anyone else see the similarities?

[Martinjlm]

Once again, stuck with nothing better to do, I checked Mustang inventory at the 8 Ford dealers closest to Ford World HQ to see how GTs are equipped. In search of the elusive GT*.

I found....

• 36 Mustang GTs (39 if I included Bullitts)
• 22 with 10AT
• 14 6MTs
• 8 PP1 equipped
• 6 GT* (A10 + PP1)
• 2 PP1 6MT
• The lowest sticker on a PP1 car was $43,140 for a 6MT Coupe
• The highest sticker price was $57,450 for a GT* Vert. Same dealer had two at that sticker
• Almost all the GTs at all the dealership were marked down about $8,000 from sticker. Not too unusual. Most were ‘19s and the ‘20s are starting to hit the lots

So, of the 36 Mustang GTs, 6 would be faster than a Camaro SS. And 3 of those were Verts, so while they may be faster than a Camaro SS Vert, they’d probably slot behind an SS coupe. The other 30 would need to mind their manners at a stoplight.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Once again, stuck with nothing better to do, I checked Mustang inventory at the 8 Ford dealers closest to Ford World HQ to see how GTs are equipped. In search of the elusive GT*.

I found....

• 36 Mustang GTs (39 if I included Bullitts)
• 22 with 10AT
• 14 6MTs
• 8 PP1 equipped
• 6 GT* (A10 + PP1)
• 2 PP1 6MT
• The lowest sticker on a PP1 car was $43,140 for a 6MT Coupe
• The highest sticker price was $57,450 for a GT* Vert. Same dealer had two at that sticker
• Almost all the GTs at all the dealership were marked down about $8,000 from sticker. Not too unusual. Most were ‘19s and the ‘20s are starting to hit the lots

So, of the 36 Mustang GTs, 6 would be faster than a Camaro SS. And 3 of those were Verts, so while they may be faster than a Camaro SS Vert, they’d probably slot behind an SS coupe. The other 30 would need to mind their manners at a stoplight.

You mean, only 6 of them would be faster than any Camaro SS that you could just buy off any lot anywhere without any special options or specific order...

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

You mean, only 6 of them would be faster than any Camaro SS that you could just buy off any lot anywhere without any special options or specific order...

Yup. Only 6 of them would be faster than "the slowest pony car".