[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by rocket403

I just showed a 1320 running 11:95 and this same car has run an 11:87 if I remember correctly so not sure how any of my statements are incorrect. The 1320 is a 11:90 car so that Hellcat needed a driver.

So at the Same track as the ZL1 Camaro a 1320 is running .1 behind it.

Different day, weather, DA etc...

By the same logic, the Camaro needed a driver mod as well as we all know the 1320 isn't competitive with an A10 ZL1.

[rocket403]

So you are saying that 11:90 in a 1320 is a hero run, I just say you are a butt hurt fan boy

Cars.com ran an 11.86 in the 1320

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by rocket403

So you are saying that 11:90 in a 1320 is a hero run, I just say you are a butt hurt fan boy

And you are deflecting away from actual DA/weather - have you ever raced? If you have, then you know that different days vary times greatly.

I have nothing but respect that Dodge offers a 1320 with all the trick Demon stuff. I think GM and Ford should step up and offer the same transbrake equipment etc on a drag pack type car.

[rocket403]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Both are auto on stock tires...they are a close matchup on hp/weight. Can't assume a 1320 would run hero times at the track in this example.

I have raced and understand the effects of DA and some tracks based on elevation to sea level will allow better times, the Hellcat in the video racing the ZL1 is running 11:95 and 11:85 in the 2 runs. This time has been run at a track in British Columbia Canada that is very close to sea level, it just happens that the 1320 of Mopar Insiders runs out of the same track as this run. His 1320 has run a best of 11:85 (I would need to verify this for sure) at the same track DA does have an effect so can only guess at that, but it is very similar to weather in Seattle so DA may not be that different, as it would be in some other hot and muggy locations like where I live outside of Toronto.

Now all I said was that a Hellcat is way off it's time to run an 11:95 and that it is running what a 1320 would run and needs a driver, your comment is that it would be a hero run too get a 1320 in that time.

I have shown 2 times that are at that are in that 11:90 range so I think we can say it is not a hero run to get a 1320 to run that.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

This video is what I imagine happens in the BlaqWhole household on Sunday mornings....


http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/09/...se-race-video/

Even if only for another few months. One or both cars might be going as I make room for the C8. The dealership called yesterday and they want me to come there to put my order in before tonight, lol!!

[BlaqWhole]

BTw, they said the 2019 Hellcat has 707 HP and 707 TQ. That is incorrect. The 2015 - 2018 had 707 HP and 650 TQ. The 2019 is rated at 717 HP and 656 TQ.

Also of note is Dodge is more conservative with their 1/4 miles claims. It seems they claim an 11.2 in the quarter when they used to say it was a 10.8 or something.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by rocket403

I have raced and understand the effects of DA and some tracks based on elevation to sea level will allow better times, the Hellcat in the video racing the ZL1 is running 11:95 and 11:85 in the 2 runs. This time has been run at a track in British Columbia Canada that is very close to sea level, it just happens that the 1320 of Mopar Insiders runs out of the same track as this run. His 1320 has run a best of 11:85 (I would need to verify this for sure) at the same track DA does have an effect so can only guess at that, but it is very similar to weather in Seattle so DA may not be that different, as it would be in some other hot and muggy locations like where I live outside of Toronto.

Now all I said was that a Hellcat is way off it's time to run an 11:95 and that it is running what a 1320 would run and needs a driver, your comment is that it would be a hero run too get a 1320 in that time.

I have shown 2 times that are at that are in that 11:90 range so I think we can say it is not a hero run to get a 1320 to run that.

So you agree that DA on different days will affect ET and MPH? Does your logic apply in the same way to the ZL1 time as the Hellcat you claim needs a different driver?

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Even if only for another few months. One or both cars might be going as I make room for the C8. The dealership called yesterday and they want me to come there to put my order in before tonight, lol!!

Let us know what options/spec you decide to go with!

[rocket403]

Well I had posted this before so sick the DA here is a 1320 running 11:86 at 115 as well as a 11:77 at 115, guess there is so many hero passes with the 1320.

[NW-99SS]

Why do continue to deflect?

But I'm the fanboy...

[rocket403]

No deflecting at all even in bad DA the 1320 can run a 11:77.

Hellcat running 11:85 has nothing to do with DA and everything to do with driver as it should have been able to run faster than the ZL1 given DA effected both.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by rocket403

No deflecting at all even in bad DA the 1320 can run a 11:77.

Hellcat running 11:85 has nothing to do with DA and everything to do with driver as it should have been able to run faster than the ZL1 given DA effected both.

I never said the 1320 couldn't run the time...and I gave credit to Dodge for offering it - but you just want to argue for no reason while ignoring that your failed logic of poor driver/time for the Hellcat applies to the ZL1 as well.

Enjoy your 1320, they are a badass car for drag racing

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by rocket403

No deflecting at all even in bad DA the 1320 can run a 11:77.

Hellcat running 11:85 has nothing to do with DA and everything to do with driver as it should have been able to run faster than the ZL1 given DA effected both.

You are trying to be reasonable with unreasonable folks. The big problem is it is faster than the SS, and faster than the GT that is faster than the SS. Lets wait to see the times the 1320s runs in more favorable Fall air.

[BlaqWhole]

The Hellcat running what it runs is more or less due to it having way too much HP for the tires they put on it. Mine has 275 Pirelli P-Zeros. P-Zeros are the worst tires as far as I'm concerned. They came stock on my 2010 Camaro SS and even with just 426 HP they would spin. There is no way those tires can hold a Hellcat. And even more so not at 275 size. The 1320 simply gets more HP to the ground because it has much less HP than the Hellcat and probably a better tire. But look at the MPH difference. The Hellcat is potentially the faster car hands down.

I would also venture to say that the 1320 doing 11.77 - 11.90 is running at the best it will do. A Hellcat doing 11.8 is nowhere close to what it can do. Throw DRs on both and see which one is faster. So really all this proves to me is that Dodge gave the 1320 a great suspension setup and a great tire. But they threw a shitty tire on the Hellcat. Even if they had gone with a street tire other than a P-Zero and around a 295 width then the Hellcat would have been better. But regardless of what this video shows, the 1320 is nothing more than a 392 engine in a stripped down Hellcat suspension with a good tire. I would rather have the Hellcat.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Different day, weather, DA etc...

By the same logic, the Camaro needed a driver mod as well as we all know the 1320 isn't competitive with an A10 ZL1.

Well-reasoned and unclouded by emotion.