[Deki]

Can you guys just agree that both cars have their attributes? The guys with the ZL1 love their car, and the guy with the R loves his. Either could have had the other car, but chose their respective vehicles for their own reasons.

[396ssrat]

Except that GT 500 kinda reminds me of a Catfish in front.

[Deki]

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

Except that GT 500 kinda reminds me of a Catfish in front.

It's just too much. The 350 looks way better.

[BlaqWhole]

Looks have nothing to do with any assessment of any car ever. We all know that looks are subjective and the onlookers are always fickle. So it doesn't even matter because it isn't something that can be quantified. Suffice to say, both cars look amazing.

And I get it that people love whatever car they pick. But I'm just saying don't come on here with a story about how the GT350R is some advanced technological cornering masterpiece the likes of which hasn't been seen nor can ever be achieved. We all know that's a load. The SLE is on the GT350's heels so that says a lot. And don't come here with some cockamamie story about a Z06 owner who was soo impressed with a GT that he bought a Bullitt. The Z06 is straight up in a separate universe from the GT. I assume it was the PP1 GT his neighbor drove at the track. And the PP1 was soo far away from even the SLE that it wasn't even a match. And the SLE is nowhere close to the ZL1 which in turn is just under the Z06. So no way somebody was THAT impressed with a GT. And even the Bullitt isn't as good at handling as the SLE is. So if he did buy a Bullitt, then he took several steps down the ladder. Unless he wanted something that was more for DD and bought the Bullitt because it is a step above the GT. Or if something is horribly wrong with his Z06 and he doesn't realize it.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

You should start writing Fairy Tale books for children.

Dude, come off it. The GT350 is not all that you're making it out to be. And you did not buy one below MSRP unless something was wrong with it, it had too many miles to sell as a "New" car and had to be sold as a "Used" car, or you bought it used with high mileage. And lets set the record straight, for all that you think the GT350R is, the ZL1 is more. For everything that the GT350R does great, the ZL1 does even better. If the GT350R is a surgical scalpel, then the ZL1 is a precision laser scalpel...but faster. So you're not impressing anyone with these stories. Dude has a Z06 but was soo impressed by a 5.0 GT that he went and bought a Bullitt? Are you kidding me?? I test drove an 18 GT with A10 trans...and trust me, any desire I had to buy one was completely gone after I drove my Hellcat back home and then drove my ZL1 to the store. And while you're waiting for 4K RPMs...the ZL1 is blazing past and is gone to the point that there is no catching up. So come off the crack pipe.

And I'm not trying to be mean, but most of us are very well versed in the GT350 AND the GT350R and we would not touch either car. One guy on here bought one and that was just because his ZL1 had way too much HP to be driven on the streets. And he didn't go on and on about it like it was this raving acid trip that you must have been on. I get it. You love your R. And that is cool. But I and the vast majority of us here have no interest in buying one.

For the record, I tried convincing myself to buy one to add to me ZL1 and Hellcat and I just can't buy one of them. Not when the GT A10 is faster in a straight line and the PP2 and SLE can keep up with it somewhat around a track. For GT350R money nothing from Ford but the GT500 should beat it at anything or even come close to it.

Lets be realistic here. Yes the ZL1 does it better ever so slightly it does so by having a huge hp/tq advantage over the R. It has been stated over and over that the R while not faster is the better car. This will soon play out with the 500 when it smokes the ZL1 in the same way, power advantage.

[Deki]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

And don't come here with some cockamamie story about a Z06 owner who was soo impressed with a GT that he bought a Bullitt. The Z06 is straight up in a separate universe from the GT. I assume it was the PP1 GT his neighbor drove at the track. And the PP1 was soo far away from even the SLE that it wasn't even a match. And the SLE is nowhere close to the ZL1 which in turn is just under the Z06. So no way somebody was THAT impressed with a GT. And even the Bullitt isn't as good at handling as the SLE is. So if he did buy a Bullitt, then he took several steps down the ladder. Unless he wanted something that was more for DD and bought the Bullitt because it is a step above the GT. Or if something is horribly wrong with his Z06 and he doesn't realize it.

Bullitt is just a PP1 GT with 20 more horsepower. I drove a c7 with the A8 and I found the trans to be damn quick on the up and down shifts. I didn't run it in manual mode, but the automatic shift logic was stellar. Car is a super car, nothing less. I had a choice between a used z06 and a new GS, and that was what i was going to get, as I loved my C6 GS, but alas, life got in the way and I needed a back seat for a rear facing baby seat.

[Realist]

First we hear how he got his GT350R under MSRP, only to find out he had a Hellcat on trade which makes deal #’s far easier to manipulate. And now, we have to hear how it’s not fair to compare a ZL1 to a GT350R because it’s supercharged. Oh yeah and poor trade/resale value. We didn’t need a fanboy GT350R commercial in the middle of a GT500 HP post on a Camaro site. I don’t hang on Mustang forums but that’s just me.

Two things I can agree with is he got the car he wants and the GT500 should be offered with a manual.

[Deki]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Lets be realistic here. Yes the ZL1 does it better ever so slightly it does so by having a huge hp/tq advantage over the R. It has been stated over and over that the R while not faster is the better car. This will soon play out with the 500 when it smokes the ZL1 in the same way, power advantage.

I think the two things that are going to go against the gt500 are the weight, and where the weight is added, which is over the nose. I don't know if Ford will keep the weight under 4k pounds, on the base model at least.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Lets be realistic here. Yes the ZL1 does it better ever so slightly it does so by having a huge hp/tq advantage over the R. It has been stated over and over that the R while not faster is the better car. This will soon play out with the 500 when it smokes the ZL1 in the same way, power advantage.

TQ advantage, HP advantage, I don't care, the ZL1 beats the GT350R at everything. Will the GT500 beat the ZL1 and ZLE at everything? You know where my thoughts are on that. So what will the excuse be if the GT500 despite it's HP advantage can't manage to get around the ZLE or even a standard ZL1 on a track?

As far as "better", again that is not quantifiable by anything other than another person's opinion. In my opinion the ZL1 is the "better" car. And in yet someone else's opinion the Hellcat is better than both of them. If someone needed a large vehicle with a big trunk that could tote 4 normal sized adults, do you really think the GT350R would be the "better" car for them? And if someone thought 526 HP and a 12.2 sec quarter mile was lame as hell, do you really think the GT350R would be the "better" car for them? No. "Better" depends on the individual, what they want, what they need, etc...not what 2 dudes in a magazine said over 2 years ago.

And anyway none of this was the point. The point was that dude was telling some fantastic story that is about as far fetched as far fetched gets.

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

Except that GT 500 kinda reminds me of a Catfish in front.

I think the GT350 looks like a catfish....something like this.

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by Deki

No, I just don't jerk off to irrelevant magazine times. Nurburgring is 13 miles long. Even 10 seconds there could be affected just by temperature on any single day. Get over yourself and come up with something better than fanboi. Your shit elitist arrogance and attitude are just as bad as the guy you're arguing with over who's car is better. Bunch of insecure little boys. And reading is fundamental, go read my other posts if you want some clarification on how I feel about car brands.

And my car is slower? Yes. My performance pack GT is much slower than a 1LE. A Ford GT is not my car, neither is a ZR1. I'm not a fan of the new GT, I do however love the 06. I'm sure than one is slower than a ZL1 by a wide margin.

So then you jerk off to magazines that show little penis'. That is why you are on here. Because Mustang6g banned you because you are a perv.

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by Deki

Record: the best performance or most remarkable event of its kind that has been officially measured and noted.


A record would mean it is the fastest car, and it's not. The Performante is with a 6:40.

And further more, why do I care about their track times? My daddy don't work for GM or Ford, I don't own stock in either, I won't be buying either one of them. Ive owned two corvettes in the past, but I was a Corvette racing fan since the first time they competed in ALMS. My brother is a Flying Lizzard fan and he loves the RSRs, but he also owned a Corvette. You take this brand thing way too seriously. It's just a car, and it's just a company. Take it easy and have a civil discussion.

I know you got through the 6 grade in 12 years, but there is a difference between 'A' record "The" record. And a time is recorded and becomes a record.

You are showing Mustang Fanboi intelligence.

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by Deki

Can you guys just agree that both cars have their attributes? The guys with the ZL1 love their car, and the guy with the R loves his. Either could have had the other car, but chose their respective vehicles for their own reasons.

Why are you on here? You just have a lowly POS Mustang GT. Take your other Fanboi and go play with each other on Mustang6g playground. This is a ZL1 forum which neither of you have one or know about.

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Lets be realistic here. Yes the ZL1 does it better ever so slightly it does so by having a huge hp/tq advantage over the R. It has been stated over and over that the R while not faster is the better car. This will soon play out with the 500 when it smokes the ZL1 in the same way, power advantage.

What makes it better? It loses in every category when compared to the ZL1. So wait until the GT500 comes out you say. Oh, so now your comparing a car with 105 more HP, so is this the shoe is on the other foot?

You are another Ford fanboi.