[FH212]

Originally Posted by IOMike

Not at all. From what I've seen the LT1 is basically a 1SS minus the RS package and a couple options. Performance wise only the wheels and tires separate them, and a brake cooling duct.

A LT1 1Le would basically be a 1ss 1LE. I don't believe the LT1 will be nearly as diluted as some think it will be. It's only 3k less. I think the main objective is to allow people to get a V8 with that front end look while offering a cheaper model that doesn't downgrade the SS. I'm thinking option wise it will be very, very similar to the 1ss if you check the boxes.

If there isn't a 1LE version for 2020 I bet there is for 2021

What would the point of a 1LE version of a LT1 would there be for GM? Think about it. They already offer it in the LT, 1SS, 2SS. The WHOLE point of the LT1 is to make a CHEAPER V8 Camaro. So that would defeat that main goal of the LT1 adding 1LE to it. I would be shocked if Chevy did that.

[90503]

I think the LT1 will have the FE3 (SS) suspension...This is what is used for the V-6, t-4 1LE...

The SS 1LE has FE4 suspension upgrade. .. I think that is correct. If not, probably won't take long to be corrected....lol...The LT1 will be a combo of RS appearance, etc. and some SS bits, but not all of either one...

[MackSteelPrivateEye]

Originally Posted by GearheadSS

Basically because they want to streamline the assembly line and production process as much as possible. Also to make it easy on dealers when ordering.

It's cheaper for the manufacturer to limit options and to bundle options together.

Well I know a few people in GM management. Next time I will just order my car directly using the little known back office Central Office Production Order so I can get exactly what I want.

[GearheadSS]

Originally Posted by MackSteelPrivateEye

Well I know a few people in GM management. Next time I will just order my car directly using the little known back office Central Office Production Options so I can get exactly what I want.

Wouldn't that be glorious! Really wish that was still available.

[IOMike]

Originally Posted by GearheadSS

THERE IS NO LT1 1LE

Don't count on them offering it for 2021 or beyond either. It makes zero sense to offer that package with 1LE since we can get a 1SS and 2SS with 1LE.

Sounds like you work for GM and have intimate details about the Camaro program both currently and upcoming.

Or you're full of crap and making assumptions on something you don't know. But if so, why?

If it made zero sense, why offer the LT1 package at all since they already have a 1ss. The same argument can be used there.

[GearheadSS]

Originally Posted by IOMike

Sounds like you work for GM and have intimate details about the Camaro program both currently and upcoming.

Or you're full of crap and making assumptions on something you don't know. But if so, why?

I am not full of crap. I have been working in a GM dealership for 19 years and have been ordering cars for 18 years. I know where to look for this stuff. I'm not posting assumptions. I'm posting what is in front of my face on my order screen.

There are A LOT of people full of shit on this site but I'm not one of them.

[MackSteelPrivateEye]

Originally Posted by GearheadSS

I am not full of crap. I have been working in a GM dealership for 19 years and have been ordering cars for 18 years. I know where to look for this stuff. I'm not posting assumptions. I'm posting what is in front of my face on my order screen.

There are A LOT of people full of shit on this site but I'm not one of them.

Oooooooooh!!

[GearheadSS]

Originally Posted by IOMike

If it made zero sense, why offer the LT1 package at all since they already have a 1ss. The same argument can be used there.

The reason they're offering the LT1 is because it will be thousands of dollars less than the 1SS. Not sure how that fact isn't sinking in.

If you add the 1LE to the LT1, you're going to have to charge more than $7,500 for it because you're not upgrading the same parts compared to 1SS.

What I mean by that is the base parts on a 1SS are not the same as the LT1.
Since the brakes are different and since the LT1 likely doesn't have the same cooling, the price gap between base parts to 1LE parts is larger. That means they would have to charge more for 1LE on the LT1 and that would mean the cost difference between LT1 1LE and 1SS 1LE wouldn't be large enough to warrant offering it.

It would also mean that they likely wouldn't be able to use the LT front bumper, because of the cooling. That means you're basically buying a 1SS 1LE.

See the problem yet?

[GearheadSS]

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=555407

Originally Posted by GearheadSS

Figured I would start this thread because there is a lot of incorrect assumption about this car in the other thread.

Here is everything I know and what I have seen on my order screens.

I am not including LPOs or dealer installed accessories in this list. Factory installed options only.

What is the model code for LT1?
-1LZ

What comes standard on LT1?

Mechanical:
-Engine: 6.2L LT1 V8
-Transmission: 6 speed Manual w/3.73 rear axle ratio
-Brakes: F55 FRONT Brembo performance brakes
-Suspension: FE3(standard SS suspension)
-Differential: G80 limited slip

Exterior:
-Wheels: RQA 20" Silver Painted 5 spoke
-Tires: 245/40/R20 all-season runflat

Interior:
-A50 cloth bucket seats
-VY7 leather wrapped shift knob
-NP5 leather wrapped steering wheel
-AM7 folding rear seat
-IOR Mylink 3.0 7" infotainment screen
-UQ3 6 speaker audio system
-U2K Sirius XM
-UVB HD rear vision camera
-TDM teen driver mode

What options are available on LT1?

Exterior Colors:
-G16 Crush
-G7C Red Hot
-G7E Garnet Red Tricoat Metallic
-G9K Satin Steel Metallic
-GAZ Summit White
-GBA Black
-GJ0 Rally Green Metallic
-GJI Shadow Gray Metallic
-GKK Riverside Blue Metallic
-GKO Shock

Interior Colors:
-H1T Jet Black Cloth
-H72 Ash Gray Cloth

Options:

Mechanical
-MI2/MX0 10 Speed Automatic Transmission w/2.77 rear axle ratio
-NPP Performance Exhaust System
-J6F Red brake calipers
-J6L Orange brake calipers

Exterior:
-RQ9 20" 5 split spoke gray painted wheels
-RTH 20" 5 spoke low gloss black painted wheels
-RTJ 20" 5 split spoke bright silver painted wheels
-D80 Rear Spoiler, body color
-A9B Black appearance package(satin black spoiler and mirrors)

Interior:
-IOS Mylink 3.0 8" infotainment(included and only available with Y3W premium infotainment package)
-UQA Bose premium audio(included and only available with Y3W premium infotainment package)
-J5F
-KS9 Shift knob, suede wrapped
-N26 Steering wheel, suede wrapped
-3F9 Red seat belt
-2F5 Red interior trim accents
-CF5 Sunroof
-Y3W Premium infotainment package(Bose and 8" Mylink)

Stripes:
-BO3 White pearl rally stripes
-BO4 Black metallic rally stripes
-C2U Silver rally stripes
-DUV Silver center stripe
-DW8 Black metallic center stripe

One thing of note is that for 2019, J55 brakes are only available in the YQ4 Heavy-Duty Cooling and Brake Package. That includes (KC4) external engine oil cooler. So, this is likely the same cooling that the LT1 will have.

Also, this information is subject to change since GM has not released the order guide yet. This will help those of you with questions though.

[FH212]

Originally Posted by GearheadSS

The reason they're offering the LT1 is because it will be thousands of dollars less than the 1SS. Not sure how that fact isn't sinking in.

If you add the 1LE to the LT1, you're going to have to charge more than $7,500 for it because you're not upgrading the same parts compared to 1SS.

What I mean by that is the base parts on a 1SS are not the same as the LT1.
Since the brakes are different and since the LT1 likely doesn't have the same cooling, the price gap between base parts to 1LE parts is larger. That means they would have to charge more for 1LE on the LT1 and that would mean the cost difference between LT1 1LE and 1SS 1LE wouldn't be large enough to warrant offering it.

It would also mean that they likely wouldn't be able to use the LT front bumper, because of the cooling. That means you're basically buying a 1SS 1LE.

See the problem yet?

Exacty what I tried to say in my earlier post. Except you sure explain it better than I can!

[Mountain]

Originally Posted by FH212

Exacty what I tried to say in my earlier post. Except you sure explain it better than I can!

How many nails can we put in the coffin for a "LT1 1LE"?

There is reason and there is "shop talk".

Outside of $$, there is complexity and rationality.



One just needs to ask themself, is it even reasonable to think GM would go through the added complexity of basically making a different version of the SS 1LE, with that difference only being the front fascia? One that does NOT provide the same flow surface area as the SS front fascia (especially think in regards to a V8)?

1. Cost
2. Complexity
3. Performance Rational

[IOMike]

Originally Posted by GearheadSS

I am not full of crap. I have been working in a GM dealership for 19 years and have been ordering cars for 18 years. I know where to look for this stuff. I'm not posting assumptions. I'm posting what is in front of my face on my order screen.

There are A LOT of people full of shit on this site but I'm not one of them.

Dealers and salesman do not have inside knowledge.

I'm not saying there is or will be. I'm saying there may be. No one thought there would be a v6 and especially a 4 cylinder 1Le. LT1 1LE also would not require new parts. The whole point of the LT1 package is partially due to the backlash from the SS update.

[IOMike]

Originally Posted by GearheadSS

The reason they're offering the LT1 is because it will be thousands of dollars less than the 1SS. Not sure how that fact isn't sinking in.

If you add the 1LE to the LT1, you're going to have to charge more than $7,500 for it because you're not upgrading the same parts compared to 1SS.

What I mean by that is the base parts on a 1SS are not the same as the LT1.
Since the brakes are different and since the LT1 likely doesn't have the same cooling, the price gap between base parts to 1LE parts is larger. That means they would have to charge more for 1LE on the LT1 and that would mean the cost difference between LT1 1LE and 1SS 1LE wouldn't be large enough to warrant offering it.

It would also mean that they likely wouldn't be able to use the LT front bumper, because of the cooling. That means you're basically buying a 1SS 1LE.

See the problem yet?

A LT1 1Le would still be $3k less than a 1ss 1Le. I'm not sure why that's not sinking in.


The most frustrating part of all of this is that you love to speak in definitive terms when you have no idea, you're just making assumptions and acting like you have inside information and know the answer because you work at a dealership. Your job gives you no inside information.

[ChevyRules]

Originally Posted by IOMike

A LT1 1Le would still be $3k less than a 1ss 1Le. I'm not sure why that's not sinking in.


The most frustrating part of all of this is that you love to speak in definitive terms when you have no idea, you're just making assumptions and acting like you have inside information and know the answer because you work at a dealership. Your job gives you no inside information.

Are we talking about giving the LT1 the SS 1LE bits or the V6 1LE bits?



Cause if it is the V6 1LE bits, you're just making it an 1SS again. If SS 1LE, not seeing the savings is coming from? What was removed from the 1SS to make it cheaper would be added back in......