[redcoats1976]

totally hawt...if i hit the lotto im gonna buy one.

[Memphis SS]

Originally Posted by Gen6_1Le

No matter how good that automatic is its still just an automatic and its not what I'm looking for in driving , they just add to much distance between mankind and machine . From what i been hearing tho it will have a 7 speed manual available but it may be a wait to get one . A friend of mine waited 6 months to get his Porsche with a manual . I would much rather drive with a stick in my hand then be driven around in my own drivers seat with a cell phone stuck to my palm.

Right now the manual is a rumor but lets hope they do offer it. While I have no reason I would want to own one, it's a nice option to cover all the bases with car enthuses.

By the way just because it's not a stick doesn't mean your cell phone has to be stuck in your hand. Most racecar series now use the paddle shift automatics to compete and it is fun to drive. I think NASCAR is about the only main stream series left that shift gears. Since that is the case that's why your seeing less manuals in the retail market. People that are going to the track know the manual is the slower option and owners that drive them everyday in rush hour don't want to shift gears as well. That leaves a very narrow market that wants to drive back roads on the weekend and shift gears. JMHO

Originally Posted by BlackKnight2SS18

This.

Looks like GM is taking all their cues for the C8 from the high end Euro SuperCar field.
-Styling
-No more manual... NO MORE! All auto with paddle shifters
-Electric assisted V8 engine
-Twin Turbo boosted (no more supercharger)

These are all things the Ferraris, Lambos, and friends have been doing for years. But I'm not sure why they are trying to compete or target that market share of prospective buyers? People shopping for Ferraris, Lambos, McLaurens, are not cross-shopping Vettes. Maybe some small portion of car collectors that own several of each... but ~80% of people are expecting something different based on the history of the Vette.



Maybe I'll just wait for the all electric Green-Friendly C9... speed limited to 85 MPH with auto pilot. Look ma... no hands!

If you know your Corvette marketing history the Corvette has really never been after the Ferraris, Lambos or even the McLaurens owner market. The goal was to offer the Mid-level manager type salary person that can't afford a European supercar a more affordable option. The cars you listed above for the most part are $250,000,00 plus cars. The C8 Corvette if they go with the rumors will start around $60,000.00 to $65,000.00 well below any of the supercars but compete on their level. This allows GM to build a production line sports car that allows a lot of us the ability to live our dreams..
I always had a Corvette poster on my wall as a kid. When I was in my mid 30s I bought my first C4 and then few years later a new C5 so dreams do come true

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by Memphis SS

Right now the manual is a rumor but lets hope they do offer it. While I have no reason I would want to own one, it's a nice option to cover all the bases with car enthuses.

By the way just because it's not a stick doesn't mean you cell phone has to be stuck in your hand. Most racecar series now use the paddle shift automatics to compete and it is fun to drive. I think NASCAR is about the only main stream series left that shift gears. Since that is the case that's why your seeing less manuals in the retail market. People that are going to the track know the manual is the slower option and owners that drive them everyday in rush hour don't want to shift gears as well. That leaves a very narrow market that wants to drive back roads on the weekend and shift gears. JMHO



If you know your Corvette marketing history the Corvette has really never been after the Ferraris, Lambos or even the McLaurens owner market. The goal was to offer the Mid-level manager type salary person that can't afford a European supercar a more affordable option. The cars you listed above for the most part are $250,000,00 plus cars. The C8 Corvette if they go with the rumors will start around $60,000.00 to $65,000.00 well below any of the supercars but compete on their level. This allows GM to build a production line sports car that allows a lot of us the ability to live our dreams..
I always had a Corvette poster on my wall as a kid. When I was in my mid 30s I bought my first C4 and then few years later a new C5 so dreams do come true

I can't think of anything more boring then watching two late model automatic so called muscle cars going down a quarter mile track taking 12 seconds , sorry but that's just not fast at a drag strip. I have a few friends that run gen 4 Camaros with LS1s and 6speeds that would blow the doors off those cars .No matter how fast the automatics are on paper its just all water cooler chatter until you have to drive them . Don't get me wrong if i ran an 8 second car i would want a automatic but it wouldn't have 10 speeds that's for sure . On a road course at a non professional level just get a manual and have a blast , and believe it or not most there are manuals . I highly doubt GM will forget that fact that its manual transmissions and V8s that got these cars where they are today , after all we are not talking about Fords .
Motorsports sucks these days by the way , i can't watch F1 at all and have trouble watching Nascar which i have grown up watching . I do like live events , i get to Watkins Glen , Jersey Motor sports and Dover every year, that i enjoy.

[V8 Firebird]

Now, Camaro has more room for its performance and won't be limited by Corvette in future.

Camaro would be only car with sticker in GM lineup unless GM would get same trouble like Porsche.

[mlee]

Where is the revel going to take place???

[Memphis SS]

Originally Posted by Gen6_1Le

I can't think of anything more boring then watching two late model automatic so called muscle cars going down a quarter mile track taking 12 seconds , sorry but that's just not fast at a drag strip. I have a few friends that run gen 4 Camaros with LS1s and 6speeds that would blow the doors off those cars .No matter how fast the automatics are on paper its just all water cooler chatter until you have to drive them . Don't get me wrong if i ran an 8 second car i would want a automatic but it wouldn't have 10 speeds that's for sure . On a road course at a non professional level just get a manual and have a blast , and believe it or not most there are manuals . I highly doubt GM will forget that fact that its manual transmissions and V8s that got these cars where they are today , after all we are not talking about Fords .
Motorsports sucks these days by the way , i can't watch F1 at all and have trouble watching Nascar which i have grown up watching . I do like live events , i get to Watkins Glen , Jersey Motor sports and Dover every year, that i enjoy.

Auto being fast is just at the water cooler??

I'm glad you enjoy your manual.. I've owned both, but about every magazine known to man including GM list the auto as the fastest vs manual.. That is fact, not just water cooler.

As far as your buddies having a manual that is faster.. I'm at a loss there?? It really has nothing to do with GM dropping the manual or what's going on in the auto industry. Only thing I can think to say is "good for them". . But anyone with dollars can build a fast car manual or auto.

You not liking a sport doesn't change the facts, I've quit watching several myself including NASCAR. But at NHRA level, F1, and road course racing is going to paddle shift cars. For that reason and slowing sales of manuals is leading to GM and Ford moving away from that option. I think it sucks and as I said in my last post they should build both.

Personally, I'm older now and had my share of manuals, nothing against them. I've seen enough tests and races to know that the modern automatics are more than track worthy.

Let's just hope that GM will give the customer the option Letting consumers prove their point at the track..

[Number 3]

In 2008, the mid-engine C7 was going to come in starting at the ATP of the C6.

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by Memphis SS

Auto being fast is just at the water cooler??

I'm glad you enjoy your manual.. I've owned both, but about every magazine known to man including GM list the auto as the fastest vs manual.. That is fact, not just water cooler.

As far as your buddies having a manual that is faster.. I'm at a loss there?? It really has nothing to do with GM dropping the manual or what's going on in the auto industry. Only thing I can think to say is "good for them". . But anyone with dollars can build a fast car manual or auto.

You not liking a sport doesn't change the facts, I've quit watching several myself including NASCAR. But at NHRA level, F1, and road course racing is going to paddle shift cars. For that reason and slowing sales of manuals is leading to GM and Ford moving away from that option. I think it sucks and as I said in my last post they should build both.

Personally, I'm older now and had my share of manuals, nothing against them. I've seen enough tests and races to know that the modern automatics are more than track worthy.

Let's just hope that GM will give the customer the option Letting consumers prove their point at the track..

I didn't say those 4th gens were stock , they are just faster and more fun to drive at a drag strip . A 12 second automatic Camaro is an easy car to beat and any drag strip by a manual trans, never know what's next to you till its over .The fact is no matter what the automatic's achieves it will always be looked down on , its just the way it is . And that goes from cars from 1960s through today and tomorrows cars . And as far as i'm concerned you always have to run the cars to see who is faster not read which is faster . Most of the people that buy automatics buy them because they can't shift their own gears not because they are faster, which for them that extra speed won't matter anyway.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Ask any knowledgeable person who races these 6th gens and they will tell you the a8 has quite an edge. A buddy of mine is just starting to get close to my 10.6 bolt on time with his heads cam two step manual at 11.0. And I’m still out trapping him. Maybe he will chime in he’s register here too. When when had similar mods it was around a full second gap.

There are piles of data. Heads cam records between the two are a second apart. Bolt on automatics have been faster than heads cam manuals. Looked down on? Ummm... ok. Guess I really have no clue about that either. I go to the strip constantly and have never seen that.

The only time they are even somewhat close is stock vs stock

I’ve always owned manual till now and can drive them just fine. No regrets with the a8.

For sure gm should offer both. Manuals are fun to drive no doubt. Give people a choice. I don’t find the new autos boring though. Far different from the old slush boxes in every way

[Memphis SS]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Ask any knowledgeable person who races these 6th gens and they will tell you the a8 has quite an edge. A buddy of mine is just starting to get close to my 10.6 bolt on time with his heads cam two step manual at 11.0. And I’m still out trapping him. Maybe he will chime in he’s register here too. When we had similar mods it was around a full second gap.

There are piles of data. Heads cam records between the two are a second apart. Bolt on automatics have been faster than heads cam manuals. Looked down on? Ummm... ok. Guess I really have no clue about that either. I go to the strip constantly and have never seen that.

The only time they are even somewhat close is stock vs stock

I’ve always owned manual till now and can drive them just fine. No regrets with the a8.

For sure gm should offer both. Manuals are fun to drive no doubt. Give people a choice. I don’t find the new autos boring though. Far different from the old slush boxes in every way

LOL.. I was going to reply but I think you about covered it..

I do agree as well they should build both. However, I can't wait to drive a new Corvette with the dual clutch auto.. That's got to be a rush.

[Memphis SS]

Originally Posted by mlee

Where is the revel going to take place???

I was thinking the Corvette Museum, the 25th anniversary celebration is coming up but I looked that up and that is in August.. so good question

[HighIron]

Originally Posted by BlackKnight2SS18

Looks a lot like the Acura NSX... too much so for my taste... meh.

Those photos reinforce my view...

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Ask any knowledgeable person who races these 6th gens and they will tell you the a8 has quite an edge. A buddy of mine is just starting to get close to my 10.6 bolt on time with his heads cam two step manual at 11.0. And I’m still out trapping him. Maybe he will chime in he’s register here too. When when had similar mods it was around a full second gap.

There are piles of data. Heads cam records between the two are a second apart. Bolt on automatics have been faster than heads cam manuals. Looked down on? Ummm... ok. Guess I really have no clue about that either. I go to the strip constantly and have never seen that.

The only time they are even somewhat close is stock vs stock

I’ve always owned manual till now and can drive them just fine. No regrets with the a8.

For sure gm should offer both. Manuals are fun to drive no doubt. Give people a choice. I don’t find the new autos boring though. Far different from the old slush boxes in every way

I guess what i'm trying to say is when you have a 10 to 12 second car at a drag strip its just not that fast where an automatic is absolutely necessary, a 6 speed in that range can shift in plenty of time , but you still have to race . I think the fastest 4 gen 6 speed i have seen ran in the high 9s. I can say i have seen one or two 1000+ HP 6th gens and they were automatics .
Automatics are looked down on in the history of muscle cars and sports cars , you can see it in every car show ,car auction ,car magazine and everything in-between . The respect is just not there no matter what the reasoning is or how fast the auto can shift for you . In 40 years people won't want these Camaros with automatics they will want the true authentic driving experience that is left in these Camaros ,something special . Just like nowadays with people wanting cars that are not filled with nannies and catalytic converters , they want to smell the gas ,it's just the way it is .

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by Memphis SS

LOL.. I was going to reply but I think you about covered it..

I do agree as well they should build both. However, I can't wait to drive a new Corvette with the dual clutch auto.. That's got to be a rush.

No No you have to reply , i like your take on this matter .
I also can't wait to drive a true dual clutch mid engine Vette , i just wouldn't buy one .