[Risky Justice]

Those saying the V6 feels faster are either lying or crazy. There is a .2 difference in the 1/4 mile and the 2.0T has more torque. The sound difference? Who cares, neither one is a V8 so that point is pretty moot—they both sound like shit compared to the LT1. The only way a V6 makes sense is if they turbocharge it and replace the V8 with it, which wouldn’t make sense since the LT1 is the better engine. This 6 cylinder is not on the same level as say a GTR—not even close.

[Norm Peterson]

Any time you're off boost or at very low boost, a NA engine of at least comparable displacement is going to be at least equal. Sure, the turbo motor will pull harder once it gets going, but it has to get there first.

If what happens in the first half-second after you get into the throttle doesn't matter to you, you'll always pick a turbo-4 over an NA sixxer. If the first half second does matter, you might choose differently.


Sound - not just volume - is very important to a great many people, not just V8 enthusiasts. Some people actually appreciate sound character that's not just another example of the classic crossplane V8 rumble. The sound of a turbocharged engine can come up short subjectively because the turbine wheel basically puts the exhaust pulses through a blender, so you tend to lose some of the basic 'character' of that engine's exhaust note.


Norm

[cooper1965]

I have NEVER waited a half second for boost when I wanted it. It comes down to learning to drive the car. Things like brake boosting out of turns, boost launching from dead stops, ect. Even with old technology, the current turbo4 builds boost very early in the RPM range. I can presume the hybrid version will all but eliminate any concerns in that department. Sound is a null argument. It's subjective, everyone is different. I actually prefer little to no exhaust sound, but do LOVE to hear the turbo. Opposite of 90% here.

[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by Risky Justice

Those saying the V6 feels faster are either lying or crazy. There is a .2 difference in the 1/4 mile and the 2.0T has more torque.

Stock for Stock the V6 is all around a better car than the 4 Cyl, holds a higher resell value, much more reliable with higher power numbers. You may make 365 HP out of a 4 Cyl, but that doesn't mean its not going to come without its hurdles.. a V6 at that power level will be much more reliable. I've test driven a 4 Cyl and owned a V6 - The 4 Cyl is pretty quick stock but falls short in the category where the 3.6 is able to compete with many of the older V8's.

Originally Posted by Risky Justice

The sound difference? Who cares, neither one is a V8 so that point is pretty moot—they both sound like shit compared to the LT1.

Just because "you" don't care doesn't make it moot - If you're signing a loan on a $30k car that you will likely need to keep for atleast 3 years before any likelyhood of trading becomes a possibility and sound is important to you, as it is for me... you better be damn sure I am going to need to be happy with the way it sounds. The V6 isn't as modest as a V8 no, but it does carry a much better exhaust note than a 4 cyl...Especially a NPP Equipped V6.

Originally Posted by Risky Justice

The only way a V6 makes sense is if they turbocharge it and replace the V8 with it, which wouldn’t make sense since the LT1 is the better engine. This 6 cylinder is not on the same level as say a GTR—not even close.

And the exact same thing can be said regarding 4 cyls and 6 cyls. The only way a 4 cyl makes sense in a Camaro is if they turbocharge it which wouldn't make sense since the 3.6 is a proven better engine overall.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by cooper1965

I have NEVER waited a half second for boost when I wanted it. It comes down to learning to drive the car. Things like brake boosting out of turns, boost launching from dead stops, ect.

Clearly we aren't talking about the same sort of driving. If, in a RWD car you're on the brakes most of the way through a turn you're going to be heavily understeerish through it, and your acceleration out of that corner will be starting from a slower speed. But yeah, you still have your subjective 'rush' . . .

Even with old technology, the current turbo4 builds boost very early in the RPM range. I can presume the hybrid version will all but eliminate any concerns in that department.

For stomp & steer straight line stuff, sure. But how well will it play in the corners, and how nannied-up is it likely to be?

Sound is a null argument. It's subjective, everyone is different. I actually prefer little to no exhaust sound, but do LOVE to hear the turbo. Opposite of 90% here.

I don't want a loud exhaust either. While I do want some sound coming out the pipe(s), it doesn't have to be the traditional CPC rumble to sound good to me.

Truth be told, after being disappointed so many times lately by the sound of an approaching V8, hoping for a muscle car or at least a late-model Camaro/Mustang/Challenger and having it turn out to be a truck . . . is managing to make the CPC rumble one of my least favorite sounds these days. On the street, anyway.


Norm

[bpang1234]

My expectation is that anything that is N/A will be gone by the 7th generation.

Base Motor will be the Turbo 4...maybe Hybridized.
SS Motor will be that V8 Hybrid.
ZL1 Motor will be the V8 Supercharged...maybe Hybridized as well.

My other expectation is for them to all be on the 48 Volt system at some point. This would allow for that hybridization same as what Ram is doing with their V8s. But more importantly will allow for the kind of in-car electronics that will be expected in the near future. Doing so would prolong the life of the V8 because then they could use economies of scale to install it in the Silverado, Tahoe, Suburban, etc.

We should also all note that Cadillac is going back to a V8 DOHC motor for the first time since the Northstar was discontinued...that one will be a twin turbo. A higher displacement / output version of that could also be in the cards for the SS and ZL1. https://media.cadillac.com/media/us/...-turbo-v8.html

[Risky Justice]

I see the SS going to a twin turbo V6 and the V8 going twin turbo for the ZL1. Superchargers are horribly inefficient, so I don’t see those sticking around. You see Ford using their ecoboost V6 in stuff like the GT...so I think that’s probably the future. I love turbo cars though, so that wouldn’t bother me at all.

[V8 Firebird]

Originally Posted by Risky Justice

I see the SS going to a twin turbo V6 and the V8 going twin turbo for the ZL1.

SS should always stay V8 although I like Caddy's LF4.

[Rock-It Man]

What's wrong with a hybrid car?

I would welcome the low end boost that comes with a hybrid. People who are down on hybrids should rent one. I had a Hyundai Sonata rental on vacation last year. It was a learning experience to not break the tires loose on a start. Electric motor low end torque is brutal, even on your grandma's hybrid. And this car averaged 50 mpg over a week of exploring the Pacific Northwest, twisty roads, steep climbs and all.

Oh and by the way, F1 race cars and many super cars are hybrids. Time to let go of the 7 mpg big block dinosaurs.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by Rock-It Man

What's wrong with a hybrid car?

Off the top of my head . . . additional complexity, more weight, high voltage concerns, uncertain compatibility with manual transmissions, possible changes in driving 'feel' as the electric side starts, stops, needs to steal ICE power to recharge.

I would welcome the low end boost that comes with a hybrid. People who are down on hybrids should rent one. I had a Hyundai Sonata rental on vacation last year. It was a learning experience to not break the tires loose on a start. Electric motor low end torque is brutal, even on your grandma's hybrid.

That's a perfectly fair request. But having trouble NOT breaking the tires loose on a start is a big negative in my book. Lots of power going to waste down where I'm not even interested in using it - might as well not be there in the first place.

Oh and by the way, F1 race cars and many super cars are hybrids. Time to let go of the 7 mpg big block dinosaurs.

Agree on your second point here (always have, for as long as I've been driving). Moderate power from more moderate displacement, lightness, and keep it simple, please.

I'm afraid I can't relate to what F1 does with team budgets upward of half a billion dollars a season. Or near-million dollar supercars, for that matter.


Norm

[nancygrl]

As many Camaro's I've owned, surprised I hadn't gotten this survey....

[IMadeYouReadThis]

Originally Posted by Risky Justice

I see the SS going to a twin turbo V6 and the V8 going twin turbo for the ZL1. Superchargers are horribly inefficient, so I don’t see those sticking around. You see Ford using their ecoboost V6 in stuff like the GT...so I think that’s probably the future. I love turbo cars though, so that wouldn’t bother me at all.

I would go SS for the TTv6. I think that would be a awesome well balanced ride that is still good on gas. Hopefully GM will price the SS lower next gen.

[solobaric]

Originally Posted by IMadeYouReadThis

I would go SS for the TTv6. I think that would be a awesome well balanced ride that is still good on gas. Hopefully GM will price the SS lower next gen.

I would love that, but nothing ever gets cheaper. Lol.

[Rock-It Man]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Off the top of my head . . . additional complexity, more weight, high voltage concerns, uncertain compatibility with manual transmissions, possible changes in driving 'feel' as the electric side starts, stops, needs to steal ICE power to recharge.


That's a perfectly fair request. But having trouble NOT breaking the tires loose on a start is a big negative in my book. Lots of power going to waste down where I'm not even interested in using it - might as well not be there in the first place.


Agree on your second point here (always have, for as long as I've been driving). Moderate power from more moderate displacement, lightness, and keep it simple, please.

I'm afraid I can't relate to what F1 does with team budgets upward of half a billion dollars a season. Or near-million dollar supercars, for that matter.


Norm

For sure hybrids work better with automatic transmissions. Manual transmissions are just about over and done with, and having driven them for some 35 years, I'm not regretting my 15 years of automatics since then.

Racing, of course, is one opportunity for developing technology that later becomes commonplace at lower cost.