[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

sorry if I aggravated your hemorrhoids. Stock motor is important to some people’s wallet. I don’t want to build my motor unless I have to. It’s also important to show exactly what’s been modded... God knows you guys will go ape shit if an owner forgets to list a BAP in their mod list. Stock motor is important here because you have had people claim that the coyote can’t handle that much power on the stock motor.

Stock OPG’s in mine can’t speak for any others.

I can’t really follow that argument as it’s completely retarded. I can do drop in rods pistons for under 2k

Value and wallets not wanting to buy rods and pistons but buy a brand new car, a supercharger and other mods and then void the warranty on top of it. But then bragging about what’s left that is stock is paramount. Lmao

And if it’s still SBE power ford has nothing that can match the lt4 anyway. Hennessy is at 1500 hp and climbing

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by shaffe

That was meant to be a tongue and cheek jab that is why I put the caps lock "LOL" at the end, guess it didn't come of that way! My bad dude!

Yeah I noticed you were praising the PP2 guess I was just shocked to see it so I was left speechless hahaha

And now, I actually DO look, like an asshole. SMH. Yea MY bad bro. Damn, I guess I took YOUR post the wrong way, haha!!

I don't know why it would be surprising to see me praise a Mustang when I have done so many times before. The Mach 1, Termi, Boss 302, GT500, and so on. Even the S197 GT. My only gripe has been with this current S550 GT350 and the GT. I really don't understand why anyone would be disappointed in the PP2 over a set of coolers that Ford never had the intentions to add. It's like Ford put out a car that could handle close to the SS 1LE but, not on the track. Sure it'll probably overheat on the track. So don't take it to the track. It isn't built for the track. It is built as a car with track performance.

We've all known Ford to let the aftermarket provide a lot of their performance and this is no different. Like I said before, I think it would be cool to get one, throw some boost at it, hit it with the coolers, and it would have ZL1-ish performance for less than the total cost of one.

[torqueaddict]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

I find it funny stock motor is so important when one has thousands into a supercharged build anyway. And calling it a stock motor is funny too. Stock with an extra lung lmao.
But that’s what your crowd is always obsessed about. How many mods or what’s still stock etc. funny that stuff never happens in real life.

If I was trying to go really fast I’d do drop in rods pistons anyway. Even if the motor was probably ok. It’s less than 2k and can support 1500 hp. And piece of mind. But I guess I couldn’t say stupid stuff on the internet then

The 8.7 car just blew out his stock diff btw. One less stock part to brag about

And how many of these stock motors have oil pump gears? That’s not a stock motor

Agreed. Do it the right way and minimize the risk of blowing the motor. It's not like all motors are the same. Some may handle it, while others will come apart. If money is an issue, then hold off till the cash is available.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

sorry if I aggravated your hemorrhoids. Stock motor is important to some people’s wallet. I don’t want to build my motor unless I have to. It’s also important to show exactly what’s been modded... God knows you guys will go ape shit if an owner forgets to list a BAP in their mod list. Stock motor is important here because you have had people claim that the coyote can’t handle that much power on the stock motor.

Stock OPG’s in mine can’t speak for any others.

So why are you always defending people who lie about their mods? I'm just curious. Are you sitting here saying that it is completely ok to mod the shit out of a vehicle, run a certain time, and then downplay the mods done?

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

So why are you always defending people who lie about their mods? I'm just curious. Are you sitting here saying that it is completely ok to mod the shit out of a vehicle, run a certain time, and then downplay the mods done?

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I'm going to do it. Wait till my dyno video comes out and I crank out 1100 hp.............all stock. The video is going to say.............Stock Zl1 puts out 1100 hp on the dyno. But remember, the block is stock, so therefore I'm under no oath to post my mods on my video. No matter who says what. It's a stock Zl1. I'll get tens of thousands of views, hundreds of comments. Going to be fun to watch the trolls come out.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

And now, I actually DO look, like an asshole. SMH. Yea MY bad bro. Damn, I guess I took YOUR post the wrong way, haha!!

I don't know why it would be surprising to see me praise a Mustang when I have done so many times before. The Mach 1, Termi, Boss 302, GT500, and so on. Even the S197 GT. My only gripe has been with this current S550 GT350 and the GT. I really don't understand why anyone would be disappointed in the PP2 over a set of coolers that Ford never had the intentions to add. It's like Ford put out a car that could handle close to the SS 1LE but, not on the track. Sure it'll probably overheat on the track. So don't take it to the track. It isn't built for the track. It is built as a car with track performance.

We've all known Ford to let the aftermarket provide a lot of their performance and this is no different. Like I said before, I think it would be cool to get one, throw some boost at it, hit it with the coolers, and it would have ZL1-ish performance for less than the total cost of one.

We are all good bud! There really needs to be a sarcasm font haha.

Yeah that's true you have praised them in the past, just haven't seen it yet for the S550 so it caught me off guard and there was someone else I wanted to argue with hahahahaha.

From what I have seen on the other site, the guys that have the PP2 cars, love them and say the are fantastic driving cars. I guess it's weird to me to see that you are praising ford and here I am upset with them over the coolers lol, we flip flopped on side on this one haha.

It does seem they never intended to put coolers on it, and Ford does usually let the aftermarket take care of "unfinished" parts of the car. I guess I am more disappointed that in the first magazine test, that they got the temps high enough they had to pull off the course. That is just a bad look, and makes it look like they should have added the coolers.

[DevilsReject97]

Okay, to get this back on track....lol...

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Okay, to get this back on track....lol...

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

7.39 ratio spread and faster upshifts
The new 10-speed’s greater overall performance and efficiency are due primarily to its wider 7.39 overall gear ratio spread, which enhances off-the-line performance with a more aggressive first gear ratio than GM’s eight-speed automatic. Smaller steps between the gears also help the engine maintain the optimal speed for maximum power at almost all speeds, especially when exiting a corner on a track.

One of the primary reasons the GT has looked so good on video is because they seem to launch so much better than in years past. I would argue that the A10 is helping them do just that. I fully expect the Camaro to benefit from the very same.

I'd also like to point to this...the A8 already has the Camaro running a 4.1 in the 0-60. If the A10 makes the GT a sub 4 second car, that means the Camaro will more than likely do so as well.

You sound like you're regurgitating a media press release without applying some critical thinking. The difference in ratios between the A8 and A10 are minute at best, other than the addition of a gear between 5th and 6th, which is in the 100mph range.

.....A10.....A8
.....4.70.....4.56
.....2.99.....2.97
.....2.15.....2.08
.....1.80.....1.69
.....1.52.....
.....1.28.....1.27
.....1.00.....1.00
.....0.85.....0.85
.....0.69.....
.....0.64.....0.65

Yes, that added gear may help on the top end a smidge, which is where I think it'll help add .05-.10sec / 0.5-1mph on the top end. But as for basic acceleration 0-100 or so, the difference in gearing is the same as going from 2.77 rear gears to ~2.85 = zero difference in the real world.

[ULTRAZLS1]

A drag mode or improved track mode with better shift recovery and reduced TM would throw a big wrench into your entire prediction. But I doubt gm is that cool

[oldman]

too funny.. and since it is funny there is some truth to it...

[oldman]

Originally Posted by hotlap

This is a vs 2018 Mustang thread and the conversation since the PP2’s R&T outing has been to contrast the two companies approach to performance.

Chevy’s standard is that any Camaro with performance intent can withstand its owner taking it to a HPDE or drag racing. The cars are warranted for it.

The PP2 going into limp mode is inexplicable. As was the 16 GT350. Customers are paying $50k for a car that Ford deliberately knee capped to avoid warranty exposure. Cars that were rolled out with a lot of fanfare as track cars.

bout sums it upat this point

[oldman]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

I find it funny stock motor is so important when one has thousands into a supercharged build anyway. And calling it a stock motor is funny too. Stock with an extra lung lmao.
But that’s what your crowd is always obsessed about. How many mods or what’s still stock etc. funny that stuff never happens in real life.

amen, and hence my signature. I'm so tired of stock well yea cause the quad cam motor is a nightmare to work on. My LT1 is almost as easy as my LS1 which was easy too, now the L98 was like the 5.0 / 4.6 et OHC engines hard to work on. And yes my next go around I'll change cam on a LT1 without dropping the pan, putting it into just as easy as a LS1, which was candy.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

sorry if I aggravated your hemorrhoids. Stock motor is important to some people’s wallet. I don’t want to build my motor unless I have to. It’s also important to show exactly what’s been modded... God knows you guys will go ape shit if an owner forgets to list a BAP in their mod list. Stock motor is important here because you have had people claim that the coyote can’t handle that much power on the stock motor.

Stock OPG’s in mine can’t speak for any others.

I would speculate it is more along the lines of the engine is "hard to work on" and it does not respond as well to mods like cams and porting vs the LS LT; couple to that is the fact that 4 cams are hugely expensive, along with 32 valve springs. So Ford guys always have to fall back to the one trick pony "stock engine". Big deal.


Please, I work on cars a long time, few people every own up to I blew my stock engine and now I have a forged engine in the car.... So we have the insistence it is stock... when it comes to racing and claims, I'm of the opinion that if can't be proved, the claim is doubtful.


For me, even mild low boost setup, I'm completely prepared for the inevitable boom, and I'm just hoping that I get the forged pistons in before that.... My car ain't stock, nor do I like stock cars...

If you are racing your 9 second DD, then there is something up with needing to save a few sheckles on a "stock" engine..... just my opinion.