[torqueaddict]

So basically, a GT350 is probably not going to beat a regular SS M6 at the track with great drivers in each seat. Whats its excuse? I didn't see much if any bogging on those launches and the guy was shifting like a beast. And all he managed to squeeze out was a 12.0 flat. That car should be in the 11s, easy.


We know the bog on launch is what's holding back the Zl1, but not all drivers bog like crazy on launch:





A good launch and it will rape the GT350, no question. Unfortunately, we don't get to see time in this video and it is indeed hard to find videos of Zl1 manuals at the track.

Want to add that I'm not sure if he's modded or not, just wanted to show good launches are possible.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

I wasn't sure so I went looking and I found this video of the GT350 on page 1

And this video of the M6 ZL1 also on page 1
there were several other videos of struggling ZL1's but strangely I couldnt find any claimed 11 second videos of stock cars.

You’ve provide nothing to back up your statement (below). The ZL1 in any form will hand the Shelby it’s ass. Equal driver on same day (like the Motor Trend H2H you dismissed) I’ll take that bet any day.

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

The manual ZL1 is a barely able to scratch out a win vs the GT350 let alone being on another level... private owners can’t get the car out of the 12’s which is comical for a 650hp car. Worlds slowest 650hp car? The A10 is the only thing giving the ZL1 any respect. Same way you say it saves the GT.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by hotlap

You’ve provide nothing to back up your statement (below). The ZL1 in any form will hand the Shelby it’s ass. Equal driver on same day (like the Motor Trend H2H you dismissed) I’ll take that bet any day.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by torqueaddict

So basically, a GT350 is probably not going to beat a regular SS M6 at the track with great drivers in each seat. Whats its excuse? I didn't see much if any bogging on those launches and the guy was shifting like a beast. And all he managed to squeeze out was a 12.0 flat. That car should be in the 11s, easy.


We know the bog on launch is what's holding back the Zl1, but not all drivers bog like crazy on launch:

Um yeah cool video and all but thats a modded 5th gen so...

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by torqueaddict

So basically, a GT350 is probably not going to beat a regular SS M6 at the track with great drivers in each seat. Whats its excuse? I didn't see much if any bogging on those launches and the guy was shifting like a beast. And all he managed to squeeze out was a 12.0 flat. That car should be in the 11s, easy.


We know the bog on launch is what's holding back the Zl1, but not all drivers bog like crazy on launch:





A good launch and it will rape the GT350, no question. Unfortunately, we don't get to see time in this video and it is indeed hard to find videos of Zl1 manuals at the track.

Want to add that I'm not sure if he's modded or not, just wanted to show good launches are possible.

Um... I'll never defend a Mustang but that ZL1 doesn't look even close to stock lol.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_nCW5czh5YY

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by hotlap

that's not a leg nub hanging out of my pants

[carguy55]

When MT asked their handling guru Kim Reynolds what he thought about the two cars after lapping them, he looked first to the Camaro then disparagingly glanced at the Mustang and said, “There’s about 4,000 years of evolution separating the two.”

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

Happy Father's Day to whom it may concern.


I'm done trolling you all btw.

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

I wasn't sure so I went looking and I found this video of the GT350 on page 1



And this video of the M6 ZL1 also on page 1
there were several other videos of struggling ZL1's but strangely I couldnt find any claimed 11 second videos of stock cars.

Well.....that didn’t last long.

[JoeCamaro444]

Originally Posted by carguy55

When MT asked their handling guru Kim Reynolds what he thought about the two cars after lapping them, he looked first to the Camaro then disparagingly glanced at the Mustang and said, “There’s about 4,000 years of evolution separating the two.”

👍🏻

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Well.....that didn’t last long.

those were in direct response to his question...not what some want to see , but hardly trolling

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

It's easy to forget you are comparing auto to manual times. If the GT350 is a failure with 12:20s the ZL1 manual is a bigger failure with its times and huge hp/tq advantage. How about the last ZL1 manual running 12:50s with 580hp. These auto cars are making everyone a star no matter how bad a driver you are. The car is driving you and not the other way around.

No matter how "slow" you think the Camaro is, any Camaro, guess what...there's a more expensive Mustang that is even slower. The GT350 did really well at matching the Zs in their final year of production all while costing more, having less options, and having markups on top of that. After that year, 2015, no Mustang has been able to beat any Camaro on the same tier level. Which is why the Mustang guys then created the argument that this or that isn't an apples to apples comparison and that the PP1 wasn't the match for the SS 1LE. So sure, you can say the ZL1 is slow all you want. I'll take my slow ZL1 and enjoy the fact that you guys are still waiting until January for any hopes of beating us. By then we'll be so tired of kicking ass that it won't even matter who wins. LOL!!

[torqueaddict]

It felt like I scoured the earth to get this but:



11.2 seems a little too good for a stock Zl1 m6, but he didn't claim he was. Don't know much about the tires. There was hardly any bog at all. The guy obviously knows how to keep it under control.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

No matter how "slow" you think the Camaro is, any Camaro, guess what...there's a more expensive Mustang that is even slower. The GT350 did really well at matching the Zs in their final year of production all while costing more, having less options, and having markups on top of that. After that year, 2015, no Mustang has been able to beat any Camaro on the same tier level. Which is why the Mustang guys then created the argument that this or that isn't an apples to apples comparison and that the PP1 wasn't the match for the SS 1LE. So sure, you can say the ZL1 is slow all you want. I'll take my slow ZL1 and enjoy the fact that you guys are still waiting until January for any hopes of beating us. By then we'll be so tired of kicking ass that it won't even matter who wins. LOL!!

First of all, I like Mustangs almost as much as I like Camaros, so I try not to jump on the bandwagon to diss them, but that line....THAT line is both hilarious and true.