[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by autocross

I keep using the term sports car. When it can put down almost 1G on the skid pad, and only weighs 3400ish pounds, what else would it be? Those are seriously incredible numbers. Plus, the V6 has no extra muscle. It’s all useable and balanced. When the 370Z is considered an entry level sports car, then I consider a V6 camaro one because it beats it in almost every aspect.

^^^This...

The newer V6 motor is actually quite nice.... it needs an aftermarket exhaust, and I do wish it had just a hair more torque...aside from that, it's a peppy little motor and does everything it needs to do..

[torqueaddict]

This was my first V8 because I could finally afford one. My Mazdaspeed 3 was the quickest car I owned previously. And it was still slower than the turboed Camaro. The V6 would definitely put it to shame. Still, with all that, I enjoyed the hell of it.

The V6 camaro is nothing to sneeze at. Sub 5.5 0 60 and low 13s is still a fast car that would outrun the majority of vehicles on the street.

I always loved the torque and sound of a V8 and promised myself to get one, but I wouldn't put down the V6 in the Camaro or even the turboed 4.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by IMadeYouReadThis

And that's how much it would have cost new for me an extra 10K to get the extra two cylinders to knock one second off of 0 to 60.

I wanted to further expand on this, because most people, don't really care about the 0 to 60 aspect. Sure, there are plenty of people who care about the "feeling" of getting pushed back in their seat, but you can get that even in the little Turbo'd Camaro if you drive it right.

No, a vast majority of people buy the V8 because they plan to play with it. There is more ceiling to modify the car than there is with the 4 cylinder or the V6. There are more mods readily and cheaply available as well. The car is simply built better for mods as well, in terms of the hardware on the car.

You can make any car fast, but it also comes down to what you start with. I've seen dozens of junkyard turbo motors that run 10-11's in the 1/4 mile. However, if you are buying a car with these ideas in mind, the V8 is the better choice.

You talk about 10k for a second faster in the 0 to 60...but it's also about a faster launch, a faster reaction time, a better braking time, tougher equipment that can handle abuse better.

That being said, it's not important to everyone. You were absolutely correct that what makes you happy is what matters. That's how it should be. We need diversity in every respect, because its what allows us to have the fun toys too..

[IMadeYouReadThis]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

I wanted to further expand on this, because most people, don't really care about the 0 to 60 aspect. Sure, there are plenty of people who care about the "feeling" of getting pushed back in their seat, but you can get that even in the little Turbo'd Camaro if you drive it right.

No, a vast majority of people buy the V8 because they plan to play with it. There is more ceiling to modify the car than there is with the 4 cylinder or the V6. There are more mods readily and cheaply available as well. The car is simply built better for mods as well, in terms of the hardware on the car.

You can make any car fast, but it also comes down to what you start with. I've seen dozens of junkyard turbo motors that run 10-11's in the 1/4 mile. However, if you are buying a car with these ideas in mind, the V8 is the better choice.

You talk about 10k for a second faster in the 0 to 60...but it's also about a faster launch, a faster reaction time, a better braking time, tougher equipment that can handle abuse better.

That being said, it's not important to everyone. You were absolutely correct that what makes you happy is what matters. That's how it should be. We need diversity in every respect, because its what allows us to have the fun toys too..

You're absolutely right the SS is more heavy duty. From what I've read it's not as easy on the 6th gen to get gains as it was on the 5th gen through mods. just like it was a little easier on the 4th gen to bump that horsepower. However I don't own an SS so don't quote me on that. I believe though like the V6 the V8 is fairly maxed from the factory.

The smaller displacement engine cars though are better weight distribution wise and they seem to handle a little better than the heavier front end SS. So that would kind of kill the faster reaction time.

But the bottom line is the SS is the best and most expensive of the bunch. I was never disputing that all I was saying is the V6 is just so damn good

[Evil-Bee-NH]

Can't wait to see the first built 600whp I4 roll up next to a V8 lol.

[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by IMadeYouReadThis

Same here man I'm loving saving the gas mileage the car sounds fantastic and it's quite fast for what it is.

There's no downside to owning the V6 this gen. And the bottom line is the V8 is not worth an extra $10,000.

And that's how much it would have cost new for me an extra 10K to get the extra two cylinders to knock one second off of 0 to 60.

to each their own. But I love my V6

I...wouldn't go as bold as saying that now, it's all down to personal preference... for a enthusiest who loves the sound and torque of a V8 there's just no compromise that the V6 can offer I'm afraid short of supercharging and then you're in SS territory as far as price is concerned.

I loved my 1LT V6 as well but after owning a 2SS... it would be hard to go back, for me it was worth the extra coin. Not bashing on the V6..its an excellent performer, but there's things that it just cannot satisfy for those who thirst for the V8.

Originally Posted by SecondZ28

I don't understand how the term "sports car" keeps getting thrown around? Just because it's a V6?



The blown 3.8 was only rated at 240 hp, the 303 hp models had the LS4 V8

I stand corrected on the LS4 models. I forgot about them, however; the blown GTP is rated at 260 - 265

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontia...4%E2%80%932008)

The GT1 and fancier GT2 have the Series III 3800 V6 engine, putting out 200 hp (150 kW) and 230 lb·ft (310 Nm) of torque, while both GTPs have the supercharged (Eaton Gen 5 Supercharger) 3800 Series III V6 engine with 260 hp (195 kW) and 280 lb·ft (380 Nm) of torque.

[Nsxmatt]

Originally Posted by cooper1965

You paid too much. Should have bought the 2.0T. Got mine for 20k.
Twice the potential in my opinion. If you got cash to mod that is..

Lol thanks for telling me what I need to own. I’m not looking to mod it beyond a couple basic bolt ons and I wanted a smooth reliable engine that sounds good so I got the V6. I have a 500whp CRX I race at the track so having a much slower 4 cylinder Camaro is kind of pointless.

[Nsxmatt]

Originally Posted by Zack46

Someone overpaid...

[SecondZ28]

Originally Posted by autocross

I keep using the term sports car. When it can put down almost 1G on the skid pad, and only weighs 3400ish pounds, what else would it be? Those are seriously incredible numbers. Plus, the V6 has no extra muscle. It’s all useable and balanced. When the 370Z is considered an entry level sports car, then I consider a V6 camaro one because it beats it in almost every aspect.

As pointed out before, it has similar numbers to a LS1 f-body, yet no one would ever dare call it a sports car. Numbers aren't everything.

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

I stand corrected on the LS4 models. I forgot about them, however; the blown GTP is rated at 260 - 265

Got it, I was thinking of the L67.

Looks like it was 260 for only its last few years with the L32, where as the L67 was around for over a decade (92-03)

1992-93: 205 hp
1994-95: 225
1996-03: 240
2004-07: 260

Last power boost came from a new blower

A fifth-generation Eaton supercharger that’s thirteen percent more efficient than last year’s unit helps raise the GTP’s horsepower to 240 from 260; torque remains at 280 pound-feet.

Pretty funny..
https://www.autotrader.com/car-news/...-gtp-wa-270373

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by SecondZ28

I don't understand how the term "sports car" keeps getting thrown around? Just because it's a V6?

Let's just say that the numbers are there, but the character isn't (not quite), and not go any further down that rabbit hole again.


Norm

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by autocross

Ahh, I see. All the roads on the island i live (hawaii) are twisty. I guess if you do a subtle camber for performance it’s alright, but when you’re tires are super crooked you’ve gone too far. You’re basically saying as long as it’s not aesthetic?

There's a difference between running cambers to maximize cornering capability - and this should be with respect to how hard you're actually going to be driving, and cambers that are extreme for the sole sake of shock value. Same goes for stretching tires, there's max-recommended width (which is noticeable) and crazy amounts over an inch past max-recommended where you start seeing the insides of the wheel flanges. There's crazy amounts of poke created by thick spacers, and the amount you can't help getting from really wide wheels even with minimum strut side clearance.

This is what -1.9° camber and 1.2mm of strut-side clearance looks like when you start getting a little serious about cornering performance while remaining realistically daily-drivable. I'll be hitting a road course later today . . .

I keep using the term sports car. When it can put down almost 1G on the skid pad, and only weighs 3400ish pounds, what else would it be?

Sport coupe or Grand Touring car is about as far as I'd go. There's more involved than just the peak numbers here, things like turn-in response, feel, and general nimbleness count as well. More so when driving well below the car's actual limits. 5th gen Z/28 and maybe the GT350 excepted, these cars (bowties and blue ovals both) really have too big a dose of luxury in them any more, so the 'sportiness' that could have been there is now somewhat diluted.

I'm from a time when most sports cars weighed under a ton, or barely half of what you're looking at now (maybe think several hundred lbs lighter than a Miata). Under 1500 lbs in a few cases. Cars today can certainly put up the numbers, but they're all a lot more deliberate about doing so. Maybe think ballet dancer vs NFL linebacker.


Norm

[Fraxum]

OP, just my opinion, but I think the V6 is cool and fun but without the SS suspension (1LE) not quite as much fun. That suspension is great as is for autox and any other tracking. The SS has a well balanced feel and is every bit the equal of a M4 BMW at a Costco price.

You can buy a used M6 SS and maybe a 2SS for high $20sK and brand new 2017s for very low $30sK as a 1SS. You can get used to the polar moment of inertia of the V8 versus the V6 and easily compensate for it and more than make up time with more power.

And not knocking the V6 at all but the V8 is more fun in this car as the chassis is heavier than it needs to be for the V6. And with the V8 you can have a powertrain waranty versus an FI V6. Also know that adding FI to any car is $$ you will never get back and make the car harder to sell/trade.

And having learned my own lessons I bought a ZL1 when as I was just about to supercharge my SS. Life is for learning.

[harrist5683]

Originally Posted by IMadeYouReadThis

That's a whole lot of bad information man but what can one expect from a guy who buys a ZL1 and gets an auto.

And I don't care that the auto is faster. And your words don't try to dress it up to something it's not you absolutely bastardized that by putting an automatic in it.

If we're going to call it like we see it there's my little couple of cents for you

Beautiful car man should never bought it in auto.

Lol all you V4/V6 guys are pretty funny, especially this specimen. When you can afford to buy my car, you can tell me which transmission I should of chose.

People can't rationalize spending an extra $10k on a V8, so they go with a V4/V6. Cool, that's none of my business. But when you act like 300 horse is considered 'performance' tier, maybe you need to get into more performance cars. Sports car? I guess (my GF's mazda has around that hp, granted the camaro handles better and looks better), but at the end of the day you're trying to make yourself feel better about your purchase. Like I said, enjoy what you have, but don't act like you have something big and bad. You don't.

[Nsxmatt]

Originally Posted by harrist5683

Lol all you V4/V6 guys are pretty funny, especially this specimen. When you can afford to buy my car, you can tell me which transmission I should of chose.

What's funny is the dick with the ZL1 coming to a V6 thread only to down people for buying a cheaper car. Obviously you bought your car because you're insecure.