[SpeedIsLife]

they said I should wait till they noise gets more prominent or worse so it’s easier to fix

Ah yes because that totally sounds like something a company rep would say...why fix a problem early when you can wait and have to replace the entire engine under warranty!

[FastCarFanBoy]

Amazingly these coyote failures have all happened doing 15mph in a school zone.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

Amazingly these coyote failures have all happened doing 15mph in a school zone.

Well... ya know... its Ford. They don't let you play with your "performance" car.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by torqueaddict

I'm waiting to see what the MSRP will be. Since they nickle and dime their customers for every option, I'm guessing 55-60k all optioned out. Basically, for a little more, you can pick up a ZL1.

Exactly. I optioned out a GT and it was in the low $50K range. And that was just for a PP1 with the A10 and no other crazy options like a racing strip package etc, lol!! The PP2 will shave money from not having the A10 option but it will still be in the mid $50K range. At that point I'd rather buy a used 6th gen ZL1, used Stingray, used Z06 1LZ, new M6 ZL1 (for a few thousand more), etc. All those cars will lay waste to a new GT, will hold better value, all while coming in at the same price.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Exactly. I optioned out a GT and it was in the low $50K range. And that was just for a PP1 with the A10 and no other crazy options like a racing strip package etc, lol!! The PP2 will shave money from not having the A10 option but it will still be in the mid $50K range. At that point I'd rather buy a used 6th gen ZL1, used Stingray, used Z06 1LZ, new M6 ZL1 (for a few thousand more), etc. All those cars will lay waste to a new GT, will hold better value, all while coming in at the same price.

Yeah that is insane. I never thought I would see the day where a Mustang GT or Camaro SS touched what used to be Corvette price range

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Yeah that is insane. I never thought I would see the day where a Mustang GT or Camaro SS touched what used to be Corvette price range

Indeed. Sometimes they are right on the doorstep of current new Corvette pricing. I knew a few guys who bought the 6th Gen 2SS right when it was available and they paid right on the heels of what a C7 1LT costed. The GT PP2 might be even more than C7 1LT MSRP.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Indeed. Sometimes they are right on the doorstep of current new Corvette pricing. I knew a few guys who bought the 6th Gen 2SS right when it was available and they paid right on the heels of what a C7 1LT costed. The GT PP2 might be even more than C7 1LT MSRP.

it is crazy. I know the cars are a lot better and perform a lot better but it's still crazy. Hell my 07 GT I think the MSRP on that car was 29 and change. And that car at the time was damn near fully loaded. Only thing it didn't have was 18" wheels and the Shaker 1000 audio. I would have to look for the window sticker, but I am pretty sure it was around 29.5 maybe 30

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

Amazingly these coyote failures have all happened doing 15mph in a school zone.

Sounds like poor engineering to me. How many 2018s have had valve issues?

[BlaqWhole]

Looking at Mustangs even the current GT350 non-R is pricey. I saw quite a few of them with MSRP over what a ZL1 is. And that is the non-R. It is a shame that with Ford you have to pay much more for less performance.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Looking at Mustangs even the current GT350 non-R is pricey. I saw quite a few of them with MSRP over what a ZL1 is. And that is the non-R. It is a shame that with Ford you have to pay much more for less performance.

False. There is no combination possible to make a GT350 non R have an MSRP higher than the base MSRP of a ZL1.

A GT350 Non R has only 8 total options

You can get either the
Electronics Package which is 3k

OR

Convenience Pack which is 3k

You can not get both packages together.

The other options are 2 premium paints, 3 different stripes and a car cover.

The most expensive MSRP you make a non R is 62,485.

ZL1 MSRP is 63,795

What is true is that's a lot of coin to spend when something that does perform is right there for a few bucks more

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by shaffe

ZL1 MSRP is 63,795

ZL1 MSRP is currently 62,495 according to Chevy's website

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by shaffe

False. There is no combination possible to make a GT350 non R have an MSRP higher than the base MSRP of a ZL1.

A GT350 Non R has only 8 total options

You can get either the
Electronics Package which is 3k

OR

Convenience Pack which is 3k

You can not get both packages together.

The other options are 2 premium paints, 3 different stripes and a car cover.

The most expensive MSRP you make a non R is 62,485.

ZL1 MSRP is 63,795

What is true is that's a lot of coin to spend when something that does perform is right there for a few bucks more

The price of a fully optioned GT350 does seem to be high based on the performance offered as compared to the ZL1, but I would take into consideration where the value of these cars will be in 3-4 years. I suspect that the GT350 will hold its value better and be much more in demand.

Why do I assume above. Take KBB example of 2013 models: ZL1 and GT500 both standard optioned, and 10,000 miles. The present GT500 price range is 40,509 - 44,544, vs the ZL1 29.992 - 32,795. Original MSRP for these vehicles were very similar. The reviews of the 13 GT500 were not kind yet it continues to hold its value, the GT350s reviews are very good, the same will likely play out with the ZL1 and GT350 models.

[torqueaddict]

Originally Posted by newmoon

The price of a fully optioned GT350 does seem to be high based on the performance offered as compared to the ZL1, but I would take into consideration where the value of these cars will be in 3-4 years. I suspect that the GT350 will hold its value better and be much more in demand.

Why do I assume above. Take KBB example of 2013 models ZL1 and GT500 both standard optioned, and 10,000 miles. The GT500 price range is 40,509-44,544, vs the ZL1 29.992 - 32,795. Original MSRP for these vehicles were very similar. The same will likely play out with the ZL1 and GT350 models.

I haven't looked, but scarcity alone can affect the price. Maybe there are a lot less GT500s around?

Anyway, taking your first statement about the GT350 being priced high for what you get into consideration. That extra cost would take away from any possible resale value advantage. And that's not taking into account the enjoyment value associated with owning and driving the ZL1.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by torqueaddict

I haven't looked, but scarcity alone can affect the price. Maybe there are a lot less GT500s around?

Anyway, taking your first statement about the GT350 being priced high for what you get into consideration. That extra cost would take away from any possible resale value advantage. And that's not taking into account the enjoyment value associated with owning and driving the ZL1.

I think you would have an enjoyment value associated with both models, most reviews state the GT350 is the more enjoyable car even thought the ZL1 is faster. The perceived notion, Is the Car Special, will dictate future values.