[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by Nsxmatt

And I’ve worked in the automotive industry for 25 years. An automatic car has a higher resale and appeals to more buyers than a stick.

That's it in a nutshell, particularly the 'appeals to more' part.

But "appealing to more buyers" isn't a very good reason in and of itself. They aren't you as an individual.


Norm

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by GA Camaro 2SS

Everyone is getting into automated everything and it isn’t going to stop.

Maybe because they can't be bothered to do anything unless it has a computer to figure out how to make it happen it for them. Truly a sad commentary on 1st world civilization.


Norm

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by torqueaddict

Reading through this thread, it's obvious there are different levels of passion when it comes to driving a stick. Someone who truly loves the stick won't compromise. Price, traffic, speed, none of that would matter. I'd have paid more it to get the stick.

I have known that I would do the same for several years now. And not just for the 'sportiest' car that might end up in the driveway, either. See sig.


Norm

[ICTsccaCamaro]

Just order one new with the correct options?

[fastball]

Originally Posted by Nsxmatt

I've worked in the industry for 25 years. Stick cars book for less, sit on the lot longer, and sell for less. These are facts. There is more demand for an automatic car because it appeals to a wider audience and is easier to sell. Look up black book values and what cars actually sell for, not the made up stuff people think they know here.

Lets not kid ourselves - you've been a car salesman for 25 years. So you know the prices of used cars at a dealer lot. We both know selling a car privately you ALWAYS get more money than trading it in, and since I know what demographic to approach when I sell my cars I've akways gotten what I've asked for even if it takes a little time. I'm not stupid enough to trade a car, particularly a stick, in on a stealership lot.

Sticks do on fact hold their value. Being that you're a car salesman I am quite sure you do not understand that.

As you can tell I have zero respect for pretty much any salesman of anything, whether it's cars or stereo equipment. I know far more about what I'm buying when I buy it than the stiff trying to sell it to me making crap up and trying to impose insipid fees, push extended warranties, and just wont shut the f up if I dont want to talk.

Thank God for the internet. Hopefully it will put all of you on the unemployment line in the future.

[FrostySS]

Everyone needs to relax, holy hell.

[RealG]

One thing I always notice in the automatic versus stick debate. The stick shift guys are always very inflexible and very passionate and it’s their way or no way , then when they convert over to a modern automatic the past inflexibility is forgotten.

[RealG]

Originally Posted by fastball

You could not be more wrong about this.

I follow classic car auctions very closely. Its actually the opposite of what you describe. The rich farts who have money to burn and want to brag are not enthusiasts and don't know the difference between a cam shaft and a wheel bearing, and theyre the ones who buy the automativs.

Those who buy the manuals tend to have nothing BUT manuals (or a vast majority) in their collection. They are true enthusiasts.

The highest price ever paid at auction for a classic car was $38m for a 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO. Of course the owner isn't going to drive it. But That type of collector tends to have nothing but the most exquisite collection of vintage and collectable cars, with a vast majority of them pre-war..... and guess what - there was no such thing as an automatic before the war.

I find you to be completely wrong. I guess we have to agree to disagree

[fastball]

Originally Posted by RealG

I find you to be completely wrong. I guess we have to agree to disagree

I base my comments on fact, not opinions. People need to spend time researching, following, and attending classic car auctions.

It's not whether you agree with me or not.

[Nsxmatt]

Originally Posted by fastball

Lets not kid ourselves - you've been a car salesman for 25 years. So you know the prices of used cars at a dealer lot. We both know selling a car privately you ALWAYS get more money than trading it in, and since I know what demographic to approach when I sell my cars I've akways gotten what I've asked for even if it takes a little time. I'm not stupid enough to trade a car, particularly a stick, in on a stealership lot.

Sticks do on fact hold their value. Being that you're a car salesman I am quite sure you do not understand that.

As you can tell I have zero respect for pretty much any salesman of anything, whether it's cars or stereo equipment. I know far more about what I'm buying when I buy it than the stiff trying to sell it to me making crap up and trying to impose insipid fees, push extended warranties, and just wont shut the f up if I dont want to talk.

Thank God for the internet. Hopefully it will put all of you on the unemployment line in the future.

Way to ASSume. I was in fixed operations and management for Honda and Acura. Also with Mazda and Nissan for a few years. All the financials on trade in's, trade values, repair, parts, service, auto and body repair, you name it.

Sounds like not only are you bitter from being naive and getting taken advantage of at some point, you're just not too bright to begin with. So you just blame the sales person. It's ok, I'll mail you some tissues if you need some.

[SDG23]

Personally, if it's not truly perfect for you then don't buy it. I know the A8 is faster from a dig but then again, the M6 is more fun and engaging to drive, which is a big part of owning a car like this. I don't really care about being the absolute fastest, my M6 1SS is still capable of going way faster than I have any business going, and it'll do it easily.

If a persons goal is to get the absolute fastest quarter mile, get an A8 but I don't see the point in focusing on how fast you can go in a straight line, at least not for driving on public roads.

[Rhox]

A lot of passion in this thread!!

It's good that we have our opinions, but no need to get rude to each other



Personally, I like the CVT in my camero, but that's just me.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by Nsxmatt

Way to ASSume. I was in fixed operations and management for Honda and Acura. Also with Mazda and Nissan for a few years. All the financials on trade in's, trade values, repair, parts, service, auto and body repair, you name it.

Sounds like not only are you bitter from being naive and getting taken advantage of at some point, you're just not too bright to begin with. So you just blame the sales person. It's ok, I'll mail you some tissues if you need some.

Ok so you're a number cruncher/data analyst. You take what the salesmen do, make your spreadsheets, and send it up to corporate. That's a job every company has, not specific to cars.

I'm not bitter, I'm a dick to car salesmen and completely comfortable with being one. When all companies adapt the sales platform of Tesla and get rid of the dealership model the car buying experience will be so much better to everyone.

BTW - I sold my 2000 Honda Prelude H22A 5 speed in 2010 with 225,000 miles and rust ariund the passenger wheel well for $3500 to someone who called me the second night after I posted it in the local Cleveland sports car trades.

Think a single one of your dealers would have given me anything close to that on trade for it?

Didn't think so.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by Rhox

A lot of passion in this thread!!

It's good that we have our opinions, but no need to get rude to each other



Personally, I like the CVT in my camero, but that's just me.

I see what you did there