[redcoats1976]

Originally Posted by fastball

That means nothing - the point is its all relative. The people who want manuals will seek them out and pay relative to their automatic counterparts, whether it's a brand new Camaro or a '68 GT500

i think thats a valid point.when 90% of camaros are automatic,people will wind up paying extra for the manual trans due to supply and demand.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by torqueaddict

A couple articles on the demise of the manual tranny highlighted the fact that prospective buyers today aren't necessarily shunning sticks because they don't like them, it's because they don't know how to drive them. Very few driving schools are teaching it, and the skills aren't being passed down within families for various reasons, one being obvious; mommy and daddy don't know how to drive one.

I started my crash course the same day I bought my Mazdaspeed 3 back in '07. It only came with a stick, and the sales guy took 15 minutes of his time to show me the basics in a parking lot with a ramp. I drove it home that Friday night and was battling Miami's stop-n-go on Monday, lol. Since then, I never looked back.

Most won't chance that on their own which is understandable.

My first car was a 1990 Chevy Beretta GT 3.1 5 speed. I bought it in 1997 when I was 20 and never driven a stick before in my life. I learned to drive on a 1985 Cadillac Eldorado. But this Beretta was mint, had only 52,000 miles, and had all the options. It was blue on blue with red and charcoal gray piping trim, 15" aluminum wheels, power everything, full gauge package, and the covetted manual. I wanted it bad, it was in my price range ($5000), and my parents said if I can drive it I can buy ot. So I litterally taught myself stick the day I bought it. Drove it home. Stalled a few times but kept driving all day.

Sonce that day I've never owned an automatic and never will.

[RealG]

Originally Posted by Nsxmatt

Yes because the resale value of a limited edition 50yo car relates to a not rare brand new Camaro.

Totally agree, this guys talking about a 68 Shelby GT500 yes the stick shift is worth more because the super rich person that’s going to buy that car will never drive it anyway , its for bragging not dragging lol. Yes super rich people will always have a token stick shift in the stable because they have 10 other cars to drive all with automatics. But the normal person in the world has one car they’re not gonna choose a stick shift

[IMadeYouReadThis]

Originally Posted by fastball

And giving your wank a yank is 80% of the real thing. That 20% makes a huge difference. Once you have the real thing you can't go back to 80%

[IMadeYouReadThis]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

The Manual mode feature with the slap shifter is 80% of a true manual driving experience. It is very responsive and gives the driver full control just like a manual would, but you don't have to push in the clutch. I have owned manuals in the past, I like both. The deal breaker for me on going manual was the bog issue
when launching with the 6th gen...or else I would have went manual.

[KingLT1]

Originally Posted by fastball

And giving your wank a yank is 80% of the real thing. That 20% makes a huge difference. Once you have the real thing you can't go back to 80%

I had a T56 6 speed car for 10yrs...had a lot of fun it. I like the A8 better for the 6th gen.

Originally Posted by IMadeYouReadThis

Enjoy being slow in your Vsissy.

[IMadeYouReadThis]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

I had a T56 6 speed car




Enjoy being slow in your Vsissy.

And you enjoy driving a automatic while making excuses about how ounce upon a time you had a stick shift. Auto sucks man. Would take a stick 6 all day over a auto 8.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by RealG

Totally agree, this guys talking about a 68 Shelby GT500 yes the stick shift is worth more because the super rich person that’s going to buy that car will never drive it anyway , its for bragging not dragging lol. Yes super rich people will always have a token stick shift in the stable because they have 10 other cars to drive all with automatics. But the normal person in the world has one car they’re not gonna choose a stick shift

You could not be more wrong about this.

I follow classic car auctions very closely. Its actually the opposite of what you describe. The rich farts who have money to burn and want to brag are not enthusiasts and don't know the difference between a cam shaft and a wheel bearing, and theyre the ones who buy the automativs.

Those who buy the manuals tend to have nothing BUT manuals (or a vast majority) in their collection. They are true enthusiasts.

The highest price ever paid at auction for a classic car was $38m for a 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO. Of course the owner isn't going to drive it. But That type of collector tends to have nothing but the most exquisite collection of vintage and collectable cars, with a vast majority of them pre-war..... and guess what - there was no such thing as an automatic before the war.

[KingLT1]

Originally Posted by IMadeYouReadThis

And you enjoy driving a automatic while making excuses about how ounce upon a time you had a stick shift. Auto sucks man. Would take a stick 6 all day over a auto 8.

No excuses, simply telling it how it is coming from a true enthusiast that works on his own stuff and has experience with several different platforms. Both M6 and A8 are good...they both have thier pros and cons. To be honest I like the M7 in brothers C7 Z06 better then the M6 in the 6 gen. If the refresh gets the M7, I would consider switching. I do like to row my own gears.

[Nsxmatt]

Originally Posted by fastball

That means nothing - the point is its all relative. The people who want manuals will seek them out and pay relative to their automatic counterparts, whether it's a brand new Camaro or a '68 GT500

I've worked in the industry for 25 years. Stick cars book for less, sit on the lot longer, and sell for less. These are facts. There is more demand for an automatic car because it appeals to a wider audience and is easier to sell. Look up black book values and what cars actually sell for, not the made up stuff people think they know here.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by camarocid

Pros:
I’ll be a dad in a few years, an automatic maybe would be easier?

Not seeing how becoming a Dad matters in the slightest here. Experience suggests that if anything, it makes a better argument for getting the stick-shift. My own kids - and now their kids - have basically never seen either me or my wife drive an automatic transmission vehicle other than in the occasional rental or car borrowed from some other family member. Both kids drive stick as the normal thing these days, as does the oldest grandkid.

I do live in the city and commute
It’s faster

Almost a contradiction in terms, wouldn't you say? Even the bragging rights aren't worth much in the city.


Norm

[wrankin]

Originally Posted by ctrlz

I bought new and got the M6 mostly because it was cheaper than the A8. Everybody who sees my car LOVES that it has a manual.
Personally, I would have bought the automatic if offered at the same price, because I think modern high performance automatics are amazing. And, of course, also faster. That does seem to put me in the minority of muscle car fans.
If you want people to drool when they see your car, hold out for the manual.

My plan was to test drive a M6 and then decide. The opportunity came along for a 6 month old A8 - $18k off of a $52k+ car - the young man had it for the 6 months and wanted to get rid of it before winter and get a ZL1 A10 in the spring. I could not pass it up.

Bill

[torqueaddict]

Reading through this thread, it's obvious there are different levels of passion when it comes to driving a stick. Someone who truly loves the stick won't compromise. Price, traffic, speed, none of that would matter. I'd have paid more it to get the stick.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by GA Camaro 2SS

The manual getting old to shift is most definitely subjective. But no one is shifting the M6 as fast as HAL 9000 can shift my A8.

How fast the shifts can be made to happen doesn't matter as much as you're making it out to be. Never mind that HAL isn't getting any personal satisfaction out of being that good (if he did, I sure wouldn't want to hand any of my satisfaction and enjoyment over to him).

Resistance is futile.

Futile is trying to convince people to like automatics for reasons that don't matter to them.

Originally Posted by GA Camaro 2SS

Maybe. But from a 30mph roll you have 5 more chances to make a mistake. I have none.

But if I get them all right and beat you in the process, I'll know it was all me that got me there.

I won't be sharing credit with some transmission module that was programmed by somebody else . . . I hope you wouldn't try to convince me it was just your driving that beat me if that's the way it went.


Norm