[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by doc7000

If the Camaro needs a refresh due to sells then the 2018 Mustang also needs a refresh due to sales.

The 2018 mustang is a refresh.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by RealG

Hope this helps

Watch out, some of these special priced cars are finance only deals.

[Thill444]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

Watch out, some of these special priced cars are finance only deals.

Yes these prices are almost always bogus to get you in the door. Often they:
- assume you qualify for every rebate possible (college grad, military, already own/lease, etc, etc, etc)
- they don't mention all the hidden fees
- they sometimes don't include freight

Etc, etc.

[Bhobbs]

This thread has completely left the rails.

They just need to show off the refresh already.

[torqueaddict]

Originally Posted by RealG

Hope this helps

When you read the details on some of these advertised prices:

"Price does not include applicable tax, title, license, processing and/or documentation fees, and destination charges. ‡Vehicles shown at different locations are not currently in our inventory (Not in Stock) but can be made available to you at our location within a reasonable date from the time of your request, not to exceed one week."


Typical bait and switch. It's probably not available, so they'll try to push something else on you. If you stick to your guns, they'll end up adding a bunch of mandatory 'processing' and 'documentation' fees. On top of that, you probably won't quality for some of those incentives. So 29k becomes about 31-33k which is more realistic.

But lets say everything is lining up for you and they have the car and you do qualify for the incentives. You're smiling because you're getting this car for 29k, right?

Let's look at what it doesn't have compared to a basic dealer optioned-out Camaro v8 that you can get for around 35-36k (bait and switch dealers are listing 31-33k).

-8" touchscreen LCD
-Selectable drive modes
-Stock high performance suspension
-Android Auto/ Apple Carplay
-NPP
-20" black low-gloss wheels
-Active rev matching
-better tires

-And maybe a couple more things I haven't thought of.

To get most of these features on the Mustang, you're forced into adding these packages:

301 package - 2k
GT performance package - 4k
Active valve exhaust - $900

So that 29k becomes 36k and you and I know the likelihood of getting the car for 29k to start is slim to none. Sure, with the packages you'll end with some features the Camaro doesn't have in the base trim, but for a higher price.

All baiting and switching aside, IMO, the base Mustang is about 1-2k cheaper than the base Camaro (no NPP) but you get what you pay for. Considering this price difference, the Camaro is the better value.

[JaxChris]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

This thread has completely left the rails.

They just need to show off the refresh already.

We all wish GM was more transparent with their plans. I remember when auto shows would show off concepts of models that would actually make it to production -- instead of stupid special editions and existing inventory. I think the last time GM actually showed a forward looking concept more than a year before its' launch was the 5th gen Camaro.

I really want to know how much the 2019 Camaro will change and if there is a SS Sedan replacement coming with ATS or Camaro DNA in it. If neither are satisfactory then I'll be in the same boat as Number 3, not wanting to sign up for more of the same and wanting something with a more accommodating cabin and modern performance.

[RealG]

Originally Posted by torqueaddict

When you read the details on some of these advertised prices:

"Price does not include applicable tax, title, license, processing and/or documentation fees, and destination charges. ‡Vehicles shown at different locations are not currently in our inventory (Not in Stock) but can be made available to you at our location within a reasonable date from the time of your request, not to exceed one week."


Typical bait and switch. It's probably not available, so they'll try to push something else on you. If you stick to your guns, they'll end up adding a bunch of mandatory 'processing' and 'documentation' fees. On top of that, you probably won't quality for some of those incentives. So 29k becomes about 31-33k which is more realistic.

But lets say everything is lining up for you and they have the car and you do qualify for the incentives. You're smiling because you're getting this car for 29k, right?

Let's look at what it doesn't have compared to a basic dealer optioned-out Camaro v8 that you can get for around 35-36k (bait and switch dealers are listing 31-33k).

-8" touchscreen LCD
-Selectable drive modes
-Stock high performance suspension
-Android Auto/ Apple Carplay
-NPP
-20" black low-gloss wheels
-Active rev matching
-better tires

-And maybe a couple more things I haven't thought of.

To get most of these features on the Mustang, you're forced into adding these packages:

301 package - 2k
GT performance package - 4k
Active valve exhaust - $900

So that 29k becomes 36k and you and I know the likelihood of getting the car for 29k to start is slim to none. Sure, with the packages you'll end with some features the Camaro doesn't have in the base trim, but for a higher price.

All baiting and switching aside, IMO, the base Mustang is about 1-2k cheaper than the base Camaro (no NPP) but you get what you pay for. Considering this price difference, the Camaro is the better value.

Yea ok so why ask ?,
You guys all know the answers before I post the question, typical Internet BS you ask for proof I give it , and the proof is no good. OK I got it let’s review Chevrolet only needs to build really expensive Camaros that’s all the people want. There is no price difference. the Camaro and mustang are the same price. The Camaro is not being out sold by the mustang every month. All muscle cars sales suck. You can’t find a cheap mustang that’s a lie. Camaro is better and worth more. Mustang sucks. I’m poor so I don’t deserve a Camaro. The V-6 is better than a small V8. Chevy can’t afford to put a small V8 in the Camaro and it won’t sell. Hillary will win in a landslide.

[ChevyRules]

Originally Posted by RealG

Yea ok so why ask ?,
You guys all know the answers before I post the question, typical Internet BS you ask for proof I give it , and the proof is no good. OK I got it let’s review Chevrolet only needs to build really expensive Camaros that’s all the people want. There is no price difference. the Camaro and mustang are the same price. The Camaro is not being out sold by the mustang every month. All muscle cars sales suck. You can’t find a cheap mustang that’s a lie. Camaro is better and worth more. Mustang sucks. I’m poor so I don’t deserve a Camaro. The V-6 is better than a small V8. Chevy can’t afford to put a small V8 in the Camaro and it won’t sell. Hillary will win in a landslide.

Hey if you can walk in and buy that Mustang for $29K out the door, that’s a great deal. But it’s a dealer tactic to get you in the door to show the price of the car including every discount and rebate possible factored into that price even though chances are you don’t qualify for some of those discounts.

Sorry you don’t like it being pointed out how the dealer is advertising that $29K price.

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Originally Posted by shaffe

at this point in the year I would assume order banks for 2018s would probably close soon. Maybe someone with a bit more knowledge can chime in

Order banks usually close some time in May for end of Model Year.

[doc7000]

Originally Posted by Overflow

Your logic is flawed here.

Plain and simple the muscle car category isn't doing good right now. However, I guarantee you Ford doesn't care how the Mustang is selling compared to the Expedition. Just like a guarantee that Chevy doesn't care how the Camaro is selling compared to the Equinox. And guess what, I'm willing to bet that Dodge doesn't care how the Challenger is doing compared to the non-performance based Durangos.

You're comparing apples and oranges. The Mustang is outselling it's competition.

I was only pointing out the idea of purely looking at sales performance and stating that because of this car A needs a refresh when both the Camaro and Mustang saw sales declines last month. It doesn't matter for Ford is the Mustang is out selling the Camaro if it sales drop too low then it is going to be an issue (same with the Camaro).

With the 2019 refresh it isn't going to be a guarantee that they will sell more vehicles after it (as that doesn't seem to have worked with the Mustang). After all if the Camaro is selling 500 units a month and the Mustang is moving 400 units a month it doesn't matter that the Camaro is out selling the Mustang as it is bad all around.

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Originally Posted by 97CamaroLT4

Agreed and this is what is worrying me for the refresh as well as the new upcoming corvette. If this is what their design department came up with then it is worrying for upcoming products. Hell the 2018 Silverado looks much better. What were they thinking.

In my opinion, the 2019 Siverado is much improved style wise over it's predecessors. It's lines are better and there is no more square wheel openings that just never looked right to me on a truck.

[torqueaddict]

Originally Posted by RealG

Yea ok so why ask ?,
You guys all know the answers before I post the question, typical Internet BS you ask for proof I give it , and the proof is no good. OK I got it let’s review Chevrolet only needs to build really expensive Camaros that’s all the people want. There is no price difference. the Camaro and mustang are the same price. The Camaro is not being out sold by the mustang every month. All muscle cars sales suck. You can’t find a cheap mustang that’s a lie. Camaro is better and worth more. Mustang sucks. I’m poor so I don’t deserve a Camaro. The V-6 is better than a small V8. Chevy can’t afford to put a small V8 in the Camaro and it won’t sell. Hillary will win in a landslide.

Haha, I'm just pointing out the reality when it comes to prices that are too good to be true (camaro or mustang). And I'm not rich by any means. This is my first car over 30k.

Who knows, you might luck out and prove me wrong. Even if you do, you get what you pay for. You'll pay less and get less Though, if your heart is in the Mustang, that's what you should get.

In the end, as long as you're happy.

[doc7000]

Making an apples to apples price comparison the 1SS Camaro starts at $38,000 and the Mustang GT starts at $36,000 bucks. That is a $2,000 difference between the two cars, however for those who are going to option up their vehicles anyways the fact that the 1SS Camaro has more standard equipment does mean something. Though if you are someone who just wants the performance then the 460BHP Mustang GT at $36,000 bucks is going to be a hard sell for the Camaro to beat.

Though the base Mustang is $26,485 compared to $26,900 for the base model Camaro, option per option they are priced closely with each other.

[Brigante]

This is a spy pic of the upcoming Blazer. Probably, Camaro will get the same screen.