[Snagged]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Lol they know I’m right.

Like I said difference between crowds. I enjoy the rivalry. I will take digs at the mustang. I’ve never wished the car or company to fail.

Just look at the thread you can see the type of people some mustang owners are. Plain and simple.

But I’m the one on suicide watch and taking it too seriously. Wow. The human species lol

I’ve replied in sales threads a handful of times and am actually not concerned with sales or the Camaro getting cancelled. Never said such a thing. Wishing death on the car or brand? Having a screen name dedicated to reminding you of the companies past failure ? That’s a special kind of taking it too seriously. Really special lol. Only a mustang owner...

Just as in life in general, there are all kinds of people with different types of demeanor and outlook on the world. I've seen bad/immature behavior on both sides (Chevy vs Ford).

I'm a fan of all makes and models but fall in the Ford camp simply from my buying choices. I for one hope Camaro isn't done away with again. When the Camaro was out of production there weren't huge leaps in performance like there is now with the Mustang. The Camaro is indeed a much closer competitor to the Mustang than the Challenger and if the Camaro goes again we could see another somewhat stagnate Mustang.

And it's great the ZL1 is such a capable car and taking down cars that are much more expensive than it. The rivalry between Camaro and Mustang has really pushed them to new levels and makes the time we are living really exciting. With Dodge joining the fight finally (with the Hellcat and Demon) I'm sure it's is a bit of an eye opener for both Chevy and Ford. In fact, we are expected to see an insane GT500 for the 2019 MY. There is no better time to be a car guy than now.

[redcoats1976]

Originally Posted by 95birdible

Exactly. After my P Zero's went to crap at 20,000 miles with not one burnout on them, I switched to all seasons even though I store my car from November 1st to May 1st. Figure if I do happen to get caught in the rain or a freak spring or early fall snow, at least I will not kill myself trying to drive it.

mine still have a few miles left on them at almost 28,000.we get lots of rain here and its been below freezing a few times this year,but no problem with the p zeros yet.when i replace them it will be with all seasons though.

[90503]

It seems the only formula for substantial Camaro sales is for it to disappear for a while....The first gen had all the mojo, legacy, heritage, etc., that warranted re-introducing the 5thGen....After the 1STGen was gone, so was the demand for Camaros. Sure, it hung around for a lot of years, but after it was discontinued, was their an outcry because everyone missed the 2-4 Gens?...I doubt it. That's why the 5thGen was designed to resemble the 1stGen, not the others...

Same thing here with Gen5 and Gen6..We'll probably see a Gen7 and the head scratching will continue even more over why it's not a top seller....If low-end sales of I4s and V-6 don't continue to sell well enough to carry the Camaro brand, get rid of it....or continue production of high end V-8 Performance Camaros only as long as the hi hp engines are viable like the Corvette...Look at Corvette sales numbers....pretty low...never a 4 or 6cyl Corvette will ever be built...Camaro could do the same....

If it gets discontinued altogether, just wait a while...when it's re-introduced again it will be in demand and sell in huge numbers....Just a thought...

[Frisbey]

A lot of good points made,
I think the reality is, it makes more sense for a family to buy an SUV and a truck which make it easier to haul kids and stuff, which makes Camaro’s and mustangs more of a luxury car.

But here’s a different perspective,
My son and I were at Barrett Jackson in Las Vegas this past October,
Outside of the entrance we’re three cars, a 2018 Challanger, a 2018 Mustang and a 2018 Camaro ZL1. Over the next 2 days, every time we walked in and out of the show, there was a crowd around the ZL1, nobody around the other two. It’s like they weren’t there.
Interesting observation

[Snagged]

Originally Posted by Frisbey

A lot of good points made,
I think the reality is, it makes more sense for a family to buy an SUV and a truck which make it easier to haul kids and stuff, which makes Camaro’s and mustangs more of a luxury car.

But here’s a different perspective,
My son and I were at Barrett Jackson in Las Vegas this past October,
Outside of the entrance we’re three cars, a 2018 Challanger, a 2018 Mustang and a 2018 Camaro ZL1. Over the next 2 days, every time we walked in and out of the show, there was a crowd around the ZL1, nobody around the other two. It’s like they weren’t there.
Interesting observation

Well I would have done the same thing, and I own a Mustang, ha. I would much rather look at the high end Camaro than what I can only assume was a basic Mustang GT (perhaps even a Bullitt, I know one of those sold at auction recently for charity) and one of middle trim level Challengers. However, if a 2019 GT500 would be sitting out there I would be looking at it.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by 90503

It seems the only formula for substantial Camaro sales is for it to disappear for a while....The first gen had all the mojo, legacy, heritage, etc., that warranted re-introducing the 5thGen....After the 1STGen was gone, so was the demand for Camaros. Sure, it hung around for a lot of years, but after it was discontinued, was their an outcry because everyone missed the 2-4 Gens?...I doubt it. That's why the 5thGen was designed to resemble the 1stGen, not the others...

Same thing here with Gen5 and Gen6..We'll probably see a Gen7 and the head scratching will continue even more over why it's not a top seller....If low-end sales of I4s and V-6 don't continue to sell well enough to carry the Camaro brand, get rid of it....or continue production of high end V-8 Performance Camaros only as long as the hi hp engines are viable like the Corvette...Look at Corvette sales numbers....pretty low...never a 4 or 6cyl Corvette will ever be built...Camaro could do the same....

If it gets discontinued altogether, just wait a while...when it's re-introduced again it will be in demand and sell in huge numbers....Just a thought...

They tried that with the Viper. That didnt help. When the Gen5 came out it looked more like the Gen1 and many people from those times missed that type of car. All of those folks got a Camaro and many have either gotten it out of their system by the time the gen6 rolled around, are content with their Gen5 or just dont like the Gen6. They need to get more of the younger crowd on board to keep it relevant. I think once millennials got more disposal income they my look more at performace or sport cars.

[Frisbey]

Originally Posted by Snagged

Well I would have done the same thing, and I own a Mustang, ha. I would much rather look at the high end Camaro than what I can only assume was a basic Mustang GT and one of middle trim level Challenger.

I can only assume,
And you would have assumed wrong.

[HartfordRacingCaptain]

Originally Posted by motorhead

They tried that with the Viper. That didnt help. When the Gen5 came out it looked more like the Gen1 and many people from those times missed that type of car. All of those folks got a Camaro and many have either gotten it out of their system by the time the gen6 rolled around, are content with their Gen5 or just dont like the Gen6. They need to get more of the younger crowd on board to keep it relevant. I think once millennials got more disposal income they my look more at performace or sport cars.

It would help if they didnt get rid of stackable rebates. Now all they have is the college discount program, but it used to be a dollar amount with other discounts, rather than an "only this" program. Would've helped me out a lot if I could stack last year when I purchased.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by HartfordRacingCaptain

It would help if they didnt get rid of stackable rebates. Now all they have is the college discount program, but it used to be a dollar amount with other discounts, rather than an "only this" program. Would've helped me out a lot if I could stack last year when I purchased.

Yeah, and the fact that young people are up against the wall with the outrageous cost of college these days along with everything else involved with getting through school.

[enzia35]

Originally Posted by Koldunic

I have said many times on this board that I love my car and with enough money I would keep both.

I just don’t understand why it’s more prestigious to buy a Mustang than a Camaro. I find this to be laughable. I never said it was more prestigious to buy a Camaro than a Mustang.

I love cars. I love my GT but I see it’s flaws. It will be the same with the ZL1.

How many of those 38 posts have been praising your car?

I kid, I kid.

[HartfordRacingCaptain]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Yeah, and the fact that young people are up against the wall with the outrageous cost of college these days along with everything else involved with getting through school.

Part of that is poor planning though. Not everyone needs to cross the country to attend some expensive private school. I commuted to a local school and graduated without debt, then got my Camaro right after graduation. Also, your dream major doesn't always put food on the table, which I feel a lot of people in my generation need to learn.

[Frisbey]

Originally Posted by HartfordRacingCaptain

Part of that is poor planning though. Not everyone needs to cross the country to attend some expensive private school. I commuted to a local school and graduated without debt, then got my Camaro right after graduation. Also, your dream major doesn't always put food on the table, which I feel a lot of people in my generation need to learn.

I like you’re style!
Very well said,
4 year colleges are fine, if you have an attainable goal after graduation, if not, it’s a huge waste of money and time.

Technical and trade schools are greatly under estimated.
Starting out life in debt, is a bad idea.
JMHO

[HartfordRacingCaptain]

Originally Posted by Frisbey

I like you’re style!
Very well said,
4 year colleges are fine, if you have an attainable goal after graduation, if not, it’s a huge waste of money and time.

Technical and trade schools are greatly under estimated.
Starting out life in debt, is a bad idea.
JMHO

Nothing wrong with that at all. Today's high schools push college pretty hard on students, but fail to highlight non-degree paths.

[Turbo_J89]

The 5th gen Camaro sold an average of aroud 6700 units per month from release through 2015. In January between 2010-2015, GM moved around 5000 units each year. These sales numbers are almost -40%.

GM sold roughly 500,000 5th gen Camaro's and there are around 221 million driver's in the United States. It's hard to imagine poor sales are the result of market saturation when the 5th gen sold strong through it's entire run and there are so many potential customers out there.

The car is too expensive to appeal to the majority of people who would have bought one at a price close to the 5th gen. Fix the price, fix the problem.