[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Hell, I could easily see GM beating them to the punch and offering the ZL1 1LE with the A10, and change nothing else about the car...

That's true. They don't need to do anything else other than slapping the A10 in it.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Hell, I could easily see GM beating them to the punch and offering the ZL1 1LE with the A10, and change nothing else about the car...

You mean, until they realize that (just like the ZL1) that it doesn't make much of a difference in actual track times on the camaro platform....or that (just maybe) the GT500 is optioned with a DCT instead?

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

The models listed offer more horsepower, different suspension setups and in some cases totally different engine options. These aren't different paint codes with an upgraded leather interior or else I would have listed the california special and indy cars.

Every package I listed offered a significant difference from the other models, meaning horsepower and suspension changes to better suite a variety of people.

Are you saying that you would prefer not to have up-level camaros that give you more horsepower and better handling under warranty? I know damn well there are people that hate having summer only tires, and would prefer a cheaper lower level camaro.

Point is, even the Mustang's own Wiki page calls them trims....

Available trim levels included L, GL, GLX, LX, GT (1982-1993), GTS, Turbo GT (1983–84), GT-350 (1984), SVO (1984–86), Cobra (1979–81,1993), Cobra R (1993), and Ghia (1979–81).

And the fact of the matter is this, it was still a V6 Mustang, or a GT with a performance upgrade....it wasn't a "special model". The GT350, Bullitt, etc...those are special models...

Getting a slightly better suspension or slightly more powerful V6 still made it a bloody V6 Mustang!

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Yeah I am really curious about it, is there just that many Ford fans with stupid money or is the car that desireable lol. Probably a combo of both

Yeah, I think it is both. It has been a long time since a car has braought the hype and interest like the GT350.

A rare sort of car that brings buyers over from different brands like BMW, Porsche, etc.

I think if GM offers a high revving DOHC, it will have the same effect. It will likely be enough for me to be a customer again too.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

You mean, until they realize that (just like the ZL1) that it doesn't make much of a difference in actual track times on the camaro platform....or that (just maybe) the GT500 is optioned with a DCT instead?

It would make a significant difference in 1/4 mile, 1/2 mile, and standing mile times....

What you fail to realize is the M6 ZL1 has some torque management nannies that cause some bogging issues for launching....it's a very well documented item on this forum. With a tune, it becomes no issue, which means faster launch times....

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Point is, even the Mustang's own Wiki page calls them trims....

Available trim levels included L, GL, GLX, LX, GT (1982-1993), GTS, Turbo GT (1983–84), GT-350 (1984), SVO (1984–86), Cobra (1979–81,1993), Cobra R (1993), and Ghia (1979–81).

And the fact of the matter is this, it was still a V6 Mustang, or a GT with a performance upgrade....it wasn't a "special model". The GT350, Bullitt, etc...those are special models...

Getting a slightly better suspension or slightly more powerful V6 still made it a bloody V6 Mustang!

To be fair I would consider the LX and GT different models because they were different body styles lol. The LX was a notch and the GT a hatch

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Point is, even the Mustang's own Wiki page calls them trims....

Available trim levels included L, GL, GLX, LX, GT (1982-1993), GTS, Turbo GT (1983–84), GT-350 (1984), SVO (1984–86), Cobra (1979–81,1993), Cobra R (1993), and Ghia (1979–81).

And the fact of the matter is this, it was still a V6 Mustang, or a GT with a performance upgrade....it wasn't a "special model". The GT350, Bullitt, etc...those are special models...

Getting a slightly better suspension or slightly more powerful V6 still made it a bloody V6 Mustang!

If that's the case, then the camaro in v8 form offers a SS and ZL1...as the 1LE would then be considered only options.

Any way you cut it, the mustang has always offered more.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

It would make a significant difference in 1/4 mile, 1/2 mile, and standing mile times....

What you fail to realize is the M6 ZL1 has some torque management nannies that cause some bogging issues for launching....it's a very well documented item on this forum. With a tune, it becomes no issue, which means faster launch times....

Kind of line the same nannies that the M6 GT has had since 2015?

I'm fully aware, of the advantage an auto has...but let's face it, the ZL1 1LE is not a drag racing machine. It's track monster, and as such would offer only an advantage to new/inexperienced drivers or those that are left leg challenged.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they shouldn't....only that (for it's intended purpose), the A10 doesn't offer a significant advantage over the M6 in the ZL1 1LE.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by shaffe

To be fair I would consider the LX and GT different models because they were different body styles lol. The LX was a notch and the GT a hatch

Same car tho :P It's kind of like the standard Monte Carlo SS and the Monte Carlo Aerocoupe... same car, different rear window/hatch area..

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Kind of line the same nannies that the M6 GT has had since 2015?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they shouldn't....only that (for it's intended purpose), the A10 doesn't offer a significant advantage over the M6 in the ZL1 1LE.

Actually, the issues are present in both the M6 and A10 ZL1/ZL1-1LE. The A10 just has it show up less. Additionally, the A10 has routinely put about 3/4's to a full second difference on the 1/4 mile times...

And just for giggles, there are plenty of people who would prefer the 1LE in a A10 to auto-x or road course run. It's got a different suspension and some people would like to play with it. Again, the main advantages of adding the A10 are purely for straight line speed, namely drag racing... and that is an advantage the A10 would have...

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

If that's the case, then the camaro in v8 form offers a SS and ZL1...as the 1LE would then be considered only options.

Any way you cut it, the mustang has always offered more.

How exactly so?

If we use your logic (GT, GT PP1, GT PP2, Bullitt, GT350, GT350R) all the same as a GT. So you have the GT and the upcoming GT500.

We have the SS and the ZL1.

Look, I understand that some models have different features or slightly better performance, but a lot of these models were the same car with minor differences. I would call a GT PP a different model than the basic GT. However, I certainly wouldn't call the GT California edition a different GT. There's simply not enough of a difference to truly make them a different model.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

You mean, until they realize that (just like the ZL1) that it doesn't make much of a difference in actual track times on the camaro platform....or that (just maybe) the GT500 is optioned with a DCT instead?

A DCT would be sick. I love the 500, but good lord. The ADM's. smh.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

How exactly so?

If we use your logic (GT, GT PP1, GT PP2, Bullitt, GT350, GT350R) all the same as a GT. So you have the GT and the upcoming GT500.

We have the SS and the ZL1.

The GT and GT350 offer completely different engines as does the GT500. The Bullitt offers different engine components giving it higher horsepower. If you’re going to take out all suspension packages, then you need to be able to differentiate between different engine options.

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Look, I understand that some models have different features or slightly better performance, but a lot of these models were the same car with minor differences. I would call a GT PP a different model than the basic GT. However, I certainly wouldn't call the GT California edition a different GT. There's simply not enough of a difference to truly make them a different model.

Again, if you’re going to negate all of the suspension packages as options, then doing so on both camps still (and always has) shows the mustang has more options in regards to engine/model differences. Ford has continually offered more mustangs for the buyer.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

A DCT would be sick. I love the 500, but good lord. The ADM's. smh.

I still prefer rowing gears, but it would be a hell of an option for pony car.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

We have the SS and the ZL1.

The GT and GT350 offer completely different engines as does the GT500. The Bullitt offers different engine components giving it higher horsepower. If you’re going to take out all suspension packages, then you need to be able to differentiate between different engine options.

And yet its still a naturally aspirated V8. The 5th Gen Camaros had different V8s too, but it's still a damn SS. The only reason we're including the ZL1 and GT500 as different cars is because they are forced induction motors.

I mean shit, if we're going to compare your doo-dad to my doo-dad, well then yes Ford wins the biggest pile of crap every time...

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Again, if you’re going to negate all of the suspension packages as options, then doing so on both camps still (and always has) shows the mustang has more options in regards to engine/model differences. Ford has continually offered more mustangs for the buyer.

The Mustang currently has a 4 cylinder turbo, a 5.0L V8, and a 5.2L V8.
The Camaro currently has a 4 cylinder turbo, a 3.6L V6, a 6.2L V8, and a 6.2L supercharged V8.

And while I'll go ahead and agree that Ford has offered a lot more "trims" for the Mustang, they have routinely made you pay to match the standard features of the Camaro. When a 1LE-V6 can match your standard GT for performance, there's an issue.

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