[hotlap]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Yes great package, my point was to another posters point that both a PP2 Premium and 2SS 1LE are both right at the 50K mark is all and at the end of the day, both are still just a GT and just an SS and not special editions

Ok. I misunderstood. Here the 1LE is considered to be more than a SS...or ZL1 for that matter.

FYI - This is what you get in the 2SS 1LE for $50k. And its proven to amongst the best in the world. If this would have been available when I ordered, I'd have one

2SS package

• 20-inch aluminum wheels
• External engine oil cooler
• Transmission oil cooler
• Rear differential cooler
• Extra-capacity cooling system - Auxiliary engine coolant
• Heated/ventilated leather-appointed power 8-way driver and power 6-way front passenger seats
• Dual-zone automatic climate control
• Chevrolet MyLink† with 8-inch diagonal color touch-screen display
• Bose® premium audio system
• Frameless electrochromatic ISRV mirror
• Illuminated sill plates
• Interior spectrum lighting
• Uplevel interior décor accents
• Heated steering wheel
• Head-Up Display
• Electrochromic OSRV mirror
• Side Blind Zone Alert and Rear Cross Traffic Alert
• Rear Parking Assist
• Wireless charging† pad
• Memory driver seat and exterior mirrors

1LE package

• Black hood wrap
• Black front splitter
• Black rear blade spoiler
• Black outside rearview mirrors
• Satin Graphite 20" forged-aluminum wheels with Goodyear® Eagle® F1 SuperCar 3 285/30R20 front and 305/30R20 rear, summer-only tires1
• RECARO® performance front bucket seats
• Suede-wrapped flat-bottom steering wheel and shift knob
• Head-Up Display
• Brembo® brakes with 6-piston monobloc front 2-piece rotors and 4-piston rear calipers
• Red calipers with 1LE logo Performance exhaust
• Magnetic Ride Control
• Electronic Limited-Slip Differential (eLSD)
• Performance-tuned suspension with unique bushings, springs and stabilizer bars

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Ok. I misunderstood. Here the 1LE is considered to be more than a SS...or ZL1 for that matter.

FYI - This is what you get in the 2SS 1LE for $50k. And its proven to amongst the best in the world. If this would have been available when I ordered, I'd have one

2SS package

• 20-inch aluminum wheels
• External engine oil cooler
• Transmission oil cooler
• Rear differential cooler
• Extra-capacity cooling system - Auxiliary engine coolant
• Heated/ventilated leather-appointed power 8-way driver and power 6-way front passenger seats
• Dual-zone automatic climate control
• Chevrolet MyLink† with 8-inch diagonal color touch-screen display
• Bose® premium audio system
• Frameless electrochromatic ISRV mirror
• Illuminated sill plates
• Interior spectrum lighting
• Uplevel interior décor accents
• Heated steering wheel
• Head-Up Display
• Electrochromic OSRV mirror
• Side Blind Zone Alert and Rear Cross Traffic Alert
• Rear Parking Assist
• Wireless charging† pad
• Memory driver seat and exterior mirrors

1LE package

• Black hood wrap
• Black front splitter
• Black rear blade spoiler
• Black outside rearview mirrors
• Satin Graphite 20" forged-aluminum wheels with Goodyear® Eagle® F1 SuperCar 3 285/30R20 front and 305/30R20 rear, summer-only tires1
• RECARO® performance front bucket seats
• Suede-wrapped flat-bottom steering wheel and shift knob
• Head-Up Display
• Brembo® brakes with 6-piston monobloc front 2-piece rotors and 4-piston rear calipers
• Red calipers with 1LE logo Performance exhaust
• Magnetic Ride Control
• Electronic Limited-Slip Differential (eLSD)
• Performance-tuned suspension with unique bushings, springs and stabilizer bars

Feature to feature, the GT is almost $52,000

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

Feature to feature, the GT is almost $52,000

With no cooling available and a “you’re on your own” clause in the owners manual

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by R.C. Collins

We don't even have to wait. 90 miles from where my 1LE is parked is Galpin Ford. According to M6G they have a PP2 optioned Mustang GT on the lot. Apparently a few dealer-ordered cars have made the journey.



Someone go buy it, and i'll pony up my 1LE for a H2H this weekend!

that is not a good looking car.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

that is not a good looking car.

+1

[BlaqWhole]

I think it looks pretty awesome. At least Ford nailed that.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

I think you are grossly underestimating what additional suspension improvements, huge tire width changes and racing compound tires will do for the GT. Just because it was "off the books" doesn't mean it's going to be a bust.

No, I don't think we are. Considering what the 1LE package did for the stock SS, we all know that the PP2 will help the Mustang just as equally well. HOWEVER, what you are definitely overlooking is that all the PP2 will do is put the Mustang on par with the 1LE. It's not automatic win, and it's not even a guaranteed tie. Sure, the car will handle/corner better, but it will probably be slower down the straightaways and in the 1/4 mile.

Additionally, you're still buying a more expensive car in the long run too. You don't have to have a specific V6 or V8 package to get the 1LE either. You can get it on every model but the little turbo Camaro. You have to get very specific packages to get PP1/PP2.

Originally Posted by ST1LE

LOL, $50K for a non-GT350 Mustang? Hell no!

At that price point, you might as well be looking at a SRT8 Charger/Challenger or a M6 ZL1 Camaro....because both can be had for low 50's easily....and both will still be more fun to drive than that Mustang...

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

You missed the word "loaded".

A premium GTPP isn't what I would call loaded. IIRC a GT Premium Convertible with the 401A, premier interior, shaker pro, 20" wheels, etc..was around $49,000.

Had shaker pro and nav on that Car. Came with every option you could get on a PP and it was 42k.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

What I don't understand is with how well the GT350 is set up in terms of suspension and handling, how can Ford mess this refresh up so bad? There really is no excuse for it to be that much of a bucking bronco going down a windy road or on the track. They can't use the excuse that they want more of a grand tourer and therefore want the suspension soft anymore. They can make the Mustang handle better and have more communicative steering without being too harsh. Many cars already do that. AND THEN, if you add the fact that they are using Magnetic Ride control... Come on!

I guess I expected too much, but with the lessons learned from building a GT350 and being able to use MRC, I thought it would turn out to make huge improvements in handling so it would be close to the Camaro. But this isn't anywhere near close. It's a fail (the handling that is, other things about the car are great).

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

I'm curious about the steering issue. The S197 never had steering issues that I'm aware of. Iirc it got praise for excellent turn in and feel. Seems odd that it would have gotten worse at this point.

Because as much as people don't want to admit it, the GT is being hampered by the GT350. If the GT350 had, let's say forced induction, and was able to get around a track quicker, then they could make the GT chassis better than the Shelby because even then it still wouldn't actually beat the Shelby. But the Shelby is not that fast. And the GT can't be built to be faster than the Shelby. So that is their problem. It is holding the GT back.

Originally Posted by Spartan268

GT350 is supposed to be the track halo car for the Ford camp. If the regular GT knocks it off it's pedestal or even match it there will be a lot of backlash.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by drew peacock

so the camaro wipes the floor with that pos s550 lol..awesome news

Haven't heard from you in a while, where you been?

Originally Posted by ST1LE

LOL, $50K for a non-GT350 Mustang? Hell no!

I wouldn't pay that much for even the non-R Shelby.

Originally Posted by shaffe

Your right I guess it shouldn't be shocking but to me it still is. I know I know the cars are light years better than they used to be, but I think the MSRP on my 07 GT Premium was like 28,5 or 29k.

Hell I think my 04 GT was 25 or 26. I'll have to see if I can find the window stickers lol.

Yea but the options and tech in the new cars are light years ahead of what they were in 07. Plus the engine and trans capabilities. The 07 was a low compression 3V that couldn't handle more than 10 psi of boost and over 450 to the wheels. It had no heated/cooled seats, back-up cameras, bluetooth, etc. And it had those terrible 5sp manuals and 4 sp autos. Now look at what they have. Although they can't beat the SS they are still leaps and bounds over where they were 10 years ago.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I haven't seen the video but from the comments here that is disappointing to say the least. People praised how the 350, how could the F it up this bad seemingly on the GT.

Not only did PEOPLE praise the GT350, THESE SPECIFIC REVIEWERS (Johnny and Jethro) BOTH were talking in this H2H about how the GT350 is one of those amazing cars that you recognize it's greatness within a few feet of driving down the road (they were making this point about the 1LE, and saying it shows it's greatness within one shift, and other cars like that are the 911 GT3 and GT350 as examples). So, it's not like they are biased against Ford or Mustangs. The very reviewers that said the 18 PP1 was like "driving on a stack of phone books on a water bed), also gave the GT350 their highest comments.

That's why I'm so surprised.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

Not only did PEOPLE praise the GT350, THESE SPECIFIC REVIEWERS (Johnny and Jethro) BOTH were talking in this H2H about how the GT350 is one of those amazing cars that you recognize it's greatness within a few feet of driving down the road (they were making this point about the 1LE, and saying it shows it's greatness within one shift, and other cars like that are the 911 GT3 and GT350 as examples). So, it's not like they are biased against Ford or Mustangs. The very reviewers that said the 18 PP1 was like "driving on a stack of phone books on a water bed), also gave the GT350 their highest comments.

That's why I'm so surprised.

Agreed. I expected a whole lot more in the refresh to be done about the suspension and the general stiffness of the car overall. Sloshing around on a phone book is not a good feeling lol.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

No, I don't think we are. Considering what the 1LE package did for the stock SS, we all know that the PP2 will help the Mustang just as equally well. HOWEVER, what you are definitely overlooking is that all the PP2 will do is put the Mustang on par with the 1LE. It's not automatic win, and it's not even a guaranteed tie. Sure, the car will handle/corner better, but it will probably be slower down the straightaways and in the 1/4 mile.

Agreed. I think the PP2 will just close the gap and at least make it a respectable comparison between the two, but I still expect the 1LE to come out on top in track times.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Yea but the options and tech in the new cars are light years ahead of what they were in 07. Plus the engine and trans capabilities. The 07 was a low compression 3V that couldn't handle more than 10 psi of boost and over 450 to the wheels. It had no heated/cooled seats, back-up cameras, bluetooth, etc. And it had those terrible 5sp manuals and 4 sp autos. Now look at what they have. Although they can't beat the SS they are still leaps and bounds over where they were 10 years ago.

Hey now don't go knocking my 07 lol. It didn't have a terrible 4 speed auto, it had the awful 5 speed auto haha. The 5R55S was a piece of junk compared to the 4R75W that was in my 04.

[R.C. Collins]

I still can't get over how the SS 1LE slays a 458 Italia at Streets of Willow!

[Razzaa]

Just watched the H2H. Man this SS is a sweet platform!!! Decided to check out the comments on M6G. What a shit show over there!! They have all kinds of excuses lol. Claiming engine torque is meaningless etc.