[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Problem is its not only faster, it is pulling the SS like a freight train. If there is any surprise out of this test, this is it. Is the gearing slowing the 1LE down or is it strictly running out of ideal rpm, the extra 5-hp the GT carries can't account for 6+mph?

Again though..

What real world racing or track condition would exist to allow you a full mile of straight track to ring the car out that hard?

I can think of nowhere west of the Mississippi that has sanctioned races where you can run a car out a mile..and no I'm not counting private airstrip rentals or the salt flats.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Again though..

What real world racing or track condition would exist to allow you a full mile of straight track to ring the car out that hard?

I can think of nowhere west of the Mississippi that has sanctioned races where you can run a car out a mile..and no I'm not counting private airstrip rentals or the salt flats.

Listen I get it the Camaro is quicker and the Mustang is Faster. What I can't understand is why the deficit at all, it makes no sense?

In regards to where this advantage would be, i would think any highway roll race which seems to be the popular form of street racing these days.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Problem is its not only faster, it is pulling the SS like a freight train. If there is any surprise out of this test, this is it. Is the gearing slowing the 1LE down or is it strictly running out of ideal rpm, the extra 5-hp the GT carries can't account for 6+mph?

It lost 0-60 and 1/4. It’s not freight training anything

You have no ET to compare and the 1le has more aero as well as heavier wheel tire package

The 6 speed is in 4th until 140 ish mph. Then into a 5th overdrive gear

You are bragging about which car pulls harder in overdrive gear. And with no ET for the run. And the GT lost everything else. Wake up

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Listen I get it the Camaro is quicker and the Mustang is Faster. What I can't understand is why the deficit at all, it makes no sense?

In regards to where this advantage would be, i would think any highway roll race which seems to be the popular form of street racing these days.

Nah most roll races 20-120 or so. 130-140 at most from 50. I’ve never suggested a race to 150. It’s irrelevant dangerous and retarded. Not to mention they will be in overdrive highway gear lmao

Being a bit faster over 100 will just catch you back up if you are slower getting there.

[FNxR3DNECK]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

It lost 0-60 and 1/4. It’s not freight training anything

You have no ET to compare and the 1le has more aero as well as heavier wheel tire package

The 6 speed is in 4th until 140 ish mph. Then into a 5th overdrive gear

You are bragging about which car pulls harder in overdrive gear. And with no ET for the run. And the GT lost everything else. Wake up

This right here is the culprit, the acceleration dies pretty hard after 140 in the SS because of 5th gear. I remember watching Henessey's video of doing 0-170 in the SS at his strip and it pulled like hell up to 140, as soon as he hit 5th it just died. This is why the "6mph difference" is negligible at best, it's all down to final drive/transmission gearing, and if you are ever going over 150mph on a public road you deserve to be locked up.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

It lost 0-60 and 1/4. It’s not freight training anything

You have no ET to compare and the 1le has more aero

The 6 speed is in 4th until 140 ish mph. Then into a 5th overdrive gear

You are bragging about which car pulls harder in overdrive gear. And with no ET for the run. And the GT lost everything else. Wake up

I don't need to wake up. A tenth in the 1/4 is a drivers race, you and I both know that. They both should have ran faster.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by newmoon

I don't need to wake up. A tenth in the 1/4 is a drivers race, you and I both know that.

Yeah but dude it’s just kinda funny you focusing on one incomplete data point (no et) of manuals in overdrive when the GT lost at everything else.

The level of bias is kinda funny is all but I get it you like mustangs

As far as the times it’s a mag test on stock rubber. Typical.

Isn’t this 12.6 run faster than any stock 15-17 s550 manual on a drag strip? Without the a10 and a 25 hp gain I don’t see much better than 12.4 out of a manual in a mag.

So far it looks like a drag mode 3.55 a10 is the GT to watch out for if you have an SS

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by FNxR3DNECK

This right here is the culprit, the acceleration dies pretty hard after 140 in the SS because of 5th gear. I remember watching Henessey's video of doing 0-170 in the SS at his strip and it pulled like hell up to 140, as soon as he hit 5th it just died. This is why the "6mph difference" is negligible at best, it's all down to final drive/transmission gearing, and if you are ever going over 150mph on a public road you deserve to be locked up.

Yeah when they go to 5th they are done

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Problem is its not only faster, it is pulling the SS like a freight train. If there is any surprise out of this test, this is it. Is the gearing slowing the 1LE down or is it strictly running out of ideal rpm, the extra 5-hp the GT carries can't account for 6+mph?

0-60: 4.4s

[Syphon23]

Convincing win for the SS 1LE.

[Deakins]

If you want to understand why the Camaro was slowing down at higher speed calculate and compare the frontal area of both cars. If you understand much at all about aerodynamic drag it's obvious that the Camaro has more of it. I don't mind as that drag is a proponent of keeping the car cool while I run 40 minute sessions on the track. Not saying anything about the Mustang, just that the Camaro is working harder to get through the air at speed and hence it is bleeding energy...

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Yeah but dude it’s just kinda funny you focusing on one incomplete data point (no et) of manuals in overdrive when the GT lost at everything else.

The level of bias is kinda funny is all but I get it you like mustangs

As far as the times it’s a mag test on stock rubber. Typical.

Isn’t this 12.6 run faster than any stock 15-17 s550 manual on a drag strip? Without the a10 and a 25 hp gain I don’t see much better than 12.4 out of a manual in a mag.

So far it looks like a drag mode 3.55 a10 is the GT to watch out for if you have an SS

What I take from this test is that it will be a drivers race on the street/strip. No more clear advantage for a 6th Gen. On the track the 1LE is still far ahead.

[metros11]

Originally Posted by newmoon

The quarter mile results were not great for either car, the comments about running them out to a mile affirms the GT is making the power higher in the RPM band a 6-mph deficit for the 1LE is more concerning than the tenth the GT lost by in the 1/4.

I can assure you that anyone cross shopping these cars and looking at data is not going to look at the 140 mph stats. And if you are, you're then looking at GT4 variants. This 'concerning' comment is just ridiculous and nonsensical.

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Food for thought....

"While testing the car at Grattan Raceway in Michigan, the Level 2 package shaved 3.5 seconds from the Lap time of the Level 1 package. Impressive considering there was no power increase."

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...2-info-photos/

There is no power increase, but they certainly tweaked the suspension to either GT350 specs or perhaps even beyond that. And of course bigger/fatter tires. It will be interesting to see how it stacks up to the 1LE.

Originally Posted by ST1LE

So what does it cost MSRP to get a comparably equipped PP2? We can all agree that is the match up worth talking about.

Same price basically.

Originally Posted by newmoon

Problem is its not only faster, it is pulling the SS like a freight train. If there is any surprise out of this test, this is it. Is the gearing slowing the 1LE down or is it strictly running out of ideal rpm, the extra 5-hp the GT carries can't account for 6+mph?

This isn't a surprise at all actually, we already knew the Coyote revs higher and has more usable power at those revs. Good on Ford, they're created a car that pulls away from the Camaro where it matters the least.

[FATTEMUNK]

1 second slower than actual super cars. Thats one small mistake away. Holy crap.