[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

You don't even realize your giving yourself a backhanded compliment.

You have nearly 200 more horsepower and 230 lbft of torque than a lightly modded GT...and are slower. Professional or not, that's a hoot.

Sorry to hear about the loss of the 18 GT. We're here for you and all of M6G in your time of need.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

There are quite a few highway roll races that occur...and is something many that lack the time or the ability to drag race at a track will do.

If people are roll racing at 150mph+ on highways should be locked up.IMHO. Look what just happened a couple weeks ago where 3 people killed with two Mustangs.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

There are quite a few highway roll races that occur...and is something many that lack the time or the ability to drag race at a track will do.

Touche, plenty want the top end and that includes me. For anyone to say the gap at the 1 mile mark is MORE concerning than the gap at the quarter mile mark is insanity though.

Not that either time should truly concern anyone but the designers and engineers, but wow....

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

1 mile race results more concerning than quarter mile race results? LOL...yeah because there are so many races to 150 mph. Anything to help you feel better man.

Well...Mustang logic. When you consistently lose in the quarter mile, then the quarter mile is no longer valid so you keep racing until you find the race you can win at. Now all of a sudden in 2018 the 1 mile race is more important than the 1/4 mile.

[ST1LE]

So what does it cost MSRP to get a comparably equipped PP2? We can all agree that is the match up worth talking about.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Well...Mustang logic. When you consistently lose in the quarter mile, then the quarter mile is no longer valid so you keep racing until you find the race you can win at. Now all of a sudden in 2018 the 1 mile race is more important than the 1/4 mile.

LOL, only for the coolaid drinkers luckily. There are some Mustang guys that seem to still prefer reality with their GT.

[whiteboyblues2001]

The two cars put out pretty much the same HP, and the Mustang is a bit heavier (100 lbs or so). SO, and difference above 100 MPH is most likely due to aerodynamic drag than anything else. We saw the differences of the ZL1 vs. the ZL1 1LE at the Nurburgring. The 1LE version had more aero designed for down force rather than reduced drag. So the 1LE was slower at high speeds, but carried much more speed through the turns, and in the end turned a much faster lap time. Also of note, the SS 1LE comes with extra aero for more down force.

The Mustang having 5 extra HP in no way is what makes the car win the mile race, aerodynamic drag surely is the answer.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

So what does it cost MSRP to get a comparably equipped PP2? We can all agree that is the match up worth talking about.

The PP2 is supposed to cost 6500, I believe you would also need the 301A Package minimum so the cheapest variant of a PP2 should come in at MSRP of

44,495 (35,995 + 2000 for 301A pack + 6500 for PP2)

or 46,495 for a GT Premium PP2

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by shaffe

The PP2 is supposed to cost 6500, I believe you would also need the 301A Package minimum so the cheapest variant of a PP2 should come in at MSRP of

44,495 (35,995 + 2000 for 301A pack + 6500 for PP2)

or 46,495 for a GT Premium PP2

Thank you very much for that shaffe! Does Ford still not include destination in their MSRP?

Anybody know what it typically costs GT350 tech owners to add the track necessary coolers that the PP2 will need also? A lot to go through for apples and apples I admit.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

1 mile race results more concerning than quarter mile race results? LOL...yeah because there are so many races to 150 mph. Anything to help you feel better man.

So a 6-mph deficit on the same track/same day at the same time is not concerning to you? Where is all that torque advantage the SS has? We won't even mention the lighter weight. Put 305s on the GT and I'm sure it would match the SS 12:50s, hows the SS going to gain 6-mph?

With the power on tap for both cars mid 12s is a fail.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by newmoon

So a 6-mph deficit on the same track/same day at the same time is not concerning to you? Where is all that torque advantage the SS has? We won't even mention the lighter weight. Put 305s on the GT and I'm sure it would match the SS 12:50s, hows the SS going to gain 6-mph?

With the power on tap for both cars mid 12s is a fail.

What (legal) races go out to a mile? The occasional airway run?

Big f***ing deal about the Mustang being faster out past the 1/4 mile and out to the full mile..no one ever races that.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Thank you very much for that shaffe! Does Ford still not include destination in their MSRP?

Anybody know what it typically costs GT350 tech owners to add the track necessary coolers that the PP2 will need also? A lot to go through for apples and apples I admit.

I made sure to include them in the figures. Ford does not show them initially but once you go to build and price it adds them to the MSRP

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

What (legal) races go out to a mile? The occasional airway run?

Big f***ing deal about the Mustang being faster out past the 1/4 mile and out to the full mile..no one ever races that.

Yeah I mean there are some clubs and stuff that go have the 1/2 mile or mile stuff but other than that who cares

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by newmoon

So a 6-mph deficit on the same track/same day at the same time is not concerning to you? Where is all that torque advantage the SS has? We won't even mention the lighter weight. Put 305s on the GT and I'm sure it would match the SS 12:50s, hows the SS going to gain 6-mph?

With the power on tap for both cars mid 12s is a fail.

You are reaching. One TQ and weight advantage count in getting out of the hole. Two, no ET was given for the 1 mile...just the MPH. And reaching X MPH over X distance is a factor of gearing and power, remember the GT350's trap speed vs ET? Three, the tires on the 1LE are a liability for drag racing due to their weight (and the weight of the rest of the 1LE parts). A base SS will turn a better ET everytime.

6mph over 1 mile is not like 6 mph in 1/4. And considering we have seen traps in the 119mph range, is 6 mph really surprising over 1 mile?

I'd be more interested to see the ET over 1 mile comparison.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

What (legal) races go out to a mile? The occasional airway run?

Big f***ing deal about the Mustang being faster out past the 1/4 mile and out to the full mile..no one ever races that.

Problem is its not only faster, it is pulling the SS like a freight train. If there is any surprise out of this test, this is it. Is the gearing slowing the 1LE down or is it strictly running out of ideal rpm, the extra 5-hp the GT carries can't account for 6+mph?