[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by JhonnyGTR

I do not want to start another topic above this Threat, but I got a question for Idaho, Chadicus, Newmoon, Shaffe, Hotlap, Devil and Blaq, Even Martin if he wants to answer.

Which Vehicle is worth more for what it offers? (Technology and Performance)

1- Mustang GT pp1 with Roush Package Stage 3
2- Camaro SS 1le with Yenko Stage 2

Count me in with the rest of them so far... I wouldn't buy either. First, you have better options for lesser money on the street already: ZL1, Scatpack 1320, Hellcat, GT350...and all of them will come with much better hardware stock under warranty

Secondly, neither of these cars really address the drivetrain with any beefier components or upgrading any of the suspension. Yes, the RS3 comes with their adjustable suspension, but it is still riding on stock components...

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I think the Roush certainly looks better, lol!!

The Premium GT would probably be a better choice over the PP1 since the RS3 package comes with upgraded suspension components. The Yenko comes with a fully built engine. But the stage 1 is twice the price of the RS3 setup. And the Yenko stage 2 is 3 times as much at $67K. That would mean a $100K plus Camaro up against a $65K Mustang. So I think the RS3 would be a better deal. I'm not sure I'd pay $100K for a Camaro.

I'd pick the Roush.

Man, what is the world coming to where I nearly fully agree with BlaqWhole??

Anyway, yes, IMO the Roush looks a lot better and is less expensive. Assuming it performs to what it should (710 hp worth), then the Roush is likely the better value option. The 5 year powertrain warranty is a big deal IMO. I don't know enough about the Yenko, but according to Blaq it is much more more expensive ($60-65k vs $100k+), which puts a damper on the value portion for the Yenko. Plus, I think that Yenko hood and styling look horrendous.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

If this is the case why will each and every one sell at above MSRP instead of offering discounts right out of the gate. You don't care others do.

Well if you're gonna take everything literal then how do you know that each and every one will sat above MSRP?? You don't.

By the time they release specs for the GT500 and by the time it is out for sale there will be soo many other cars that people will have to look forward to. GM is already announcing next Gen stuff while Ford has people waiting almost halfway thru this current MY for info on the GT500. I think a lot of people have moved on and are anticipating ME Vettes at this point Especially since I predict the ME Vette will be cheaper and will beat the GT500 around a track.

Originally Posted by Chadicus

The Mustang fans will care no matter what. There are people who will buy one no matter how much it is or how it performs.

Non Mustang fans like myself have lost interest. I personally have moved my interest to the C8 and the 7th Gen Camaro. We dont know very much about the 500. I feel like I know a lot more about the C8 than I do the GT500.

I have a feeling that the standard C8 will beat the GT500 around a track and will come in at a lower MSRP. I think Ford is trying to wait as long as they can because they want to see what the Vette will MSRP at. Or they don't wanna flash their cards and then get undercut by GM on the MSRP, lol!!

I also think that IF Ford does push the S550 longer then the GT500 will have a very short victory. If the 7th Gen Camaro follows the same path over the 6th Gen Camaro that the 6th Gen Camaro took over the 5th Gens, then the next SS should either match the current ZL1 or come close to it. So if the GT500 is not able to beat the standard ZL1 around a track then I think it will have a hard time against the 7th Gen SS. I'm eager to see what happens.

[mlee]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Man, what is the world coming to where I nearly fully agree with BlaqWhole??

Can I close the thread now...

[waterman]

Originally Posted by mlee

Can I close the thread now...

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Count me in with the rest of them so far... I wouldn't buy either. First, you have better options for lesser money on the street already: ZL1, Scatpack 1320, Hellcat, GT350...and all of them will come with much better hardware stock under warranty

Secondly, neither of these cars really address the drivetrain with any beefier components or upgrading any of the suspension. Yes, the RS3 comes with their adjustable suspension, but it is still riding on stock components...

By "beefier components" are you talking about just the suspension and trans? The Yenko has a built engine with it so the engine should be safe. I'm not sure what other upgraded components it comes with.

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Man, what is the world coming to where I nearly fully agree with BlaqWhole??

Anyway, yes, IMO the Roush looks a lot better and is less expensive. Assuming it performs to what it should (710 hp worth), then the Roush is likely the better value option. The 5 year powertrain warranty is a big deal IMO. I don't know enough about the Yenko, but according to Blaq it is much more more expensive ($60-65k vs $100k+), which puts a damper on the value portion for the Yenko. Plus, I think that Yenko hood and styling look horrendous.

The Yenko is much more expensive but you get the engine bored out to 6.8 liters, ported ZL1 heads, upgraded fuel system, and other stuff. If you priced it all out then I'm sure you'd be very close to their numbers but without the warranty they offer. I think that for whatever car you have you'll be spending over $100K for 1000 HP including the price of the car.

[evo8904]

I was a mustang guy but plan on buying a ZL1 at the beginning of next year. There is a rumor that the bas GT500 MSRP will be around $67k. I hope this is true, even something $6XXXX. I think this will push Chevy to make the ZL1 better even though I highly doubt the GT500 will outperform the current ZL1 on the track. The only thing the I wish Chevy would do is have a similar fuel setup as the Mustang; it would make it cheaper for us to run e85.

[JhonnyGTR]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

By "beefier components" are you talking about just the suspension and trans? The Yenko has a built engine with it so the engine should be safe. I'm not sure what other upgraded components it comes with.

The Yenko is much more expensive but you get the engine bored out to 6.8 liters, ported ZL1 heads, upgraded fuel system, and other stuff. If you priced it all out then I'm sure you'd be very close to their numbers but without the warranty they offer. I think that for whatever car you have you'll be spending over $100K for 1000 HP including the price of the car.

Do you think that they need to modify the 1LE Package (I think that Yenko doesn't use the goodyear tires) that is required as Standar to go with the 853 and 1000 HP?

[JhonnyGTR]

Originally Posted by mlee

Can I close the thread now...

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by evo8904

I was a mustang guy but plan on buying a ZL1 at the beginning of next year. There is a rumor that the bas GT500 MSRP will be around $67k. I hope this is true, even something $6XXXX. I think this will push Chevy to make the ZL1 better even though I highly doubt the GT500 will outperform the current ZL1 on the track. The only thing the I wish Chevy would do is have a similar fuel setup as the Mustang; it would make it cheaper for us to run e85.

That YT video, both of those videos, were click bait. There is no way in hell that a nobody on YT got that info before anyone else. Everyone who know what it will be are not going to leak that info under any circumstances until they are told to do so. And I doubt it will be under $75K - $80K.

[jvandy50]

Originally Posted by evo8904

I was a mustang guy but plan on buying a ZL1 at the beginning of next year. There is a rumor that the bas GT500 MSRP will be around $67k. I hope this is true, even something $6XXXX. I think this will push Chevy to make the ZL1 better even though I highly doubt the GT500 will outperform the current ZL1 on the track. The only thing the I wish Chevy would do is have a similar fuel setup as the Mustang; it would make it cheaper for us to run e85.

Man i know that’s right! The cost and complexity to just run pump e85 on one of these is insane from what I’ve found so far.

[evo8904]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

That YT video, both of those videos, were click bait. There is no way in hell that a nobody on YT got that info before anyone else. Everyone who know what it will be are not going to leak that info under any circumstances until they are told to do so. And I doubt it will be under $75K - $80K.

I definitely think that the track version will have an msrp of around $80 but for the base model, <$70 would cheap it competitive. However, the issue is the dealer markups.

I bet the gt500 has the typewriter tick lol.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

By "beefier components" are you talking about just the suspension and trans? The Yenko has a built engine with it so the engine should be safe. I'm not sure what other upgraded components it comes with.

Correct. The Yenko and the RS3 basically run on the standard SS/GT setup. There may be things I'm not aware of, but I've read their brochures, and nothing is upgraded outside of the motor. No upgraded drive axles, no upgraded trans work, etc... I know the SS 1LE (Which is what they are using) for the Yenko has some upgraded components from factory, but not for 1000 hp...

Keep in mind that the ZL1 uses a modified A10 that isn't available on any other GM product. Throw in the fact that it will just about handle 1000 hp in stock form, that says a lot. They arent using this trans though...

And like with the RS3, their tunes are soft....to keep the drivetrain from going BOOM... so you almost have to wonder/question how much extra effort is going into these builds...

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by evo8904

I definitely think that the track version will have an msrp of around $80 but for the base model, <$70 would cheap it competitive. However, the issue is the dealer markups.

I bet the gt500 has the typewriter tick lol.

I can pretty much guarantee it will have the typewriter tick...

That being said, I don't see the GT 500 coming in at under 75k PERIOD. You have to think, the RedEye's are going for 90k+.. There's one here in Indiana for basically 100k. Remember, this is Ford's Corvette.....so they are going to play it up as much as they can. Yes, they have the Ford GT...but it's not the same...