Every day driver reviews BMW M2 VS Supra VS Camaro SS1LE

Bosse'sBoss · 07-20-2023, 09:55 PM

CTRifecta · 07-20-2023, 10:10 PM

Very odd review of the Camaro, for example , typically I read how good the steering is on the 1LE, however they didn't really agree. I think the A10 just gave a bad taste... Also to be fair I'm sure the M2 and Supra are more nimble feeling in the street.

m6-lt1 · 07-20-2023, 10:23 PM

I think the bald guy just didn’t push the 1le hard enough. The harder you push these cars the better. 1le is definitely faster on track then the Supra so I don’t think the Supra really handles any better. The new M2 since it’s a new gen car and the 6th Gen hasn’t really changed much since 2016 I wouldn’t be surprised if it out performs it on track.

MT-SS1LE · 07-20-2023, 10:39 PM

Man, that BMW is ugly as sin. And the Supra ain't much better. They can keep 'em both.

Gunkk · 07-20-2023, 10:59 PM

Shame the M6 was wrecked right before the test. They probably would have enjoyed it more.

Not sure about the apples and oranges logic of putting a $75k turbo I6 M6 BMW with 453whp up against a $25k cheaper NA 1SS 1LE A10

... but since they had tested the ZL1 already (another A10) perhaps they didn't have had a choice w/ the BMW either and had to make the lemonade to get paid.

Bosse'sBoss · 07-22-2023, 11:18 AM

It's amazing that after 7 years of introduction of the 6th gen Camaro still its very competitive with outstanding track performance. During previous reviews the Camaro beat the BMW Ms. On MT 2016 H2H the Camaro SS beat that year BMW M4, also in 2019 in R&T the Camaro SS1LE beat the BMW M2 Competition. MT also has mentioned in other reviews that the 6th gen Camaro SS1LE performs better than the new Supra, Nissan 400Z and better than any non Shelby Mustang including the Mach l. I rather prefer the Camaro instead of the ugly looking BMW and strange looking Supra. For that amount of money of the BMW or Supra you can get a much better performing ZL1 that would destroy them at the track.

Idaho2018GTPremium · 07-22-2023, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CTRifecta

Very odd review of the Camaro, for example , typically I read how good the steering is on the 1LE, however they didn't really agree. I think the A10 just gave a bad taste... Also to be fair I'm sure the M2 and Supra are more nimble feeling in the street.

The Supra is 3350 lbs and has a short wheelbase so it feels really nimble. Toyota also tuned it to be really responsive and quick reacting. Compared to my ZL1 it feels lighter and more nimble, for sure. That’s good and bad. The Supra’s brakes are twitchy at very low speeds, the ZL1 is a smoother overall driving experience.

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Originally Posted by m6-lt1

I think the bald guy just didn’t push the 1le hard enough. The harder you push these cars the better. 1le is definitely faster on track then the Supra so I don’t think the Supra really handles any better. The new M2 since it’s a new gen car and the 6th Gen hasn’t really changed much since 2016 I wouldn’t be surprised if it out performs it on track.

Put wider Supercar 3 tires on a Supra and it would be very close if not equal to an SS 1LE on track; esp a tighter technical track. At this year’s lightning lap the M6 Supra went 2:55.6 (on Michelin Pilot Super Sports), and a few years ago the SS 1LE went 2:54.8. I know it’s not apples to apples since it’s not same day, but it’s in the ball park of the 1LE. Throttle house also has times for the SS 1LE and Supra. SS 1LE (on cup 2s): 1:11.58, Supra on super sports: 1:12.17. Different day but same driver.

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Originally Posted by Bosse'sBoss

It's amazing that after 7 years of introduction of the 6th gen Camaro still its very competitive with outstanding track performance. During previous reviews the Camaro beat the BMW Ms. On MT 2016 H2H the Camaro SS beat that year BMW M4, also in 2019 in R&T the Camaro SS1LE beat the BMW M2 Competition. MT also has mentioned in other reviews that the 6th gen Camaro SS1LE performs better than the new Supra, Nissan 400Z and better than any non Shelby Mustang including the Mach l. I rather prefer the Camaro instead of the ugly looking BMW and strange looking Supra. For that amount of money of the BMW or Supra you can get a much better performing ZL1 that would destroy them at the track.

A Supra 3.0 is much cheaper than a ZL1. I think a non optioned M2 is also several thousand $ cheaper than a ZL1. But yes, the alpha Camaro is holding its own all these years and generations later against newer competition. Look what it took Ford to match a ZLE on track: 760 hp, dual clutch trans, CF wheels, and no backseat, and an extra $15-20k over a ZLE’s cost. And even then it typically only wins on its power, and even with Cup 2s is slower in the turns.

CTRifecta · 07-22-2023, 11:13 PM

Yep and at the end of the day, the Camaro is being discussed in the same breath as real legit sports cars AND has a NA V8 (with 6mt), which is simply going away in about everything besides the mustang.

Bosse'sBoss · 07-23-2023, 09:50 AM

"A Supra 3.0 is much cheaper than a ZL1. I think a non optioned M2 is also several thousand $ cheaper than a ZL1." Yes but the SS1LE is much cheaper than the Supra, Nissan 400Z, prior BMW M2 Competition, prior M4, Mach 1 and is able to compete with them and even be faster on the track than most of them.

Idaho2018GTPremium · 07-23-2023, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bosse'sBoss

"A Supra 3.0 is much cheaper than a ZL1. I think a non optioned M2 is also several thousand $ cheaper than a ZL1." Yes but the SS1LE is much cheaper than the Supra, Nissan 400Z, prior BMW M2 Competition, prior M4, Mach 1 and is able to compete with them and even be faster on the track than most of them.

Yes, a 1SS 1LE auto is $4-5k less than a Supra 3.0. And the Supra and M2 are much nicer inside than the 1SS. But that’s always been the hallmark of a pony car: performance equaling more expensive machinery, at the expense of quality of materials and in some cases, features. 2SS is inline with Supra 3.0, cost-wise.

Kamero6 · 07-23-2023, 02:38 PM

The Supra and Bmw Z4 are the same car. So it shares engine and trans with the M2, It's just tuned differently.
As far as I remember Toyota made a deal with BMW to have their powertrain and chasis, and give it a toyota body and interior.

Between those 2, I'd get whatever is cheaper. Reliability and performance will be the same, besides the tune which is handicapping one of those (so toyota can have BMW engine but can't be faster...).

The camaro is better overall, will last longer and is cheaper to buy, mantain and suffers less depreciation.

07-20-2023, 09:55 PM	#1
Bosse'sBoss Drives: '16 Camaro SS 6 spd manual transm. Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: RGV Texas Posts: 1,486	Every day driver reviews BMW M2 VS Supra VS Camaro SS1LE https://youtu.be/_k35tnaEyxU __________________ '16 Camaro SS Prior cars: '14 Corvette C7 Stingray Z51 '14 Camaro ZL1 w/. Recaro seats '11 Mustang GT 5.0 w. track package '02 Porsche 911 Carrera '05 Infiniti G35 coupe sport

07-22-2023, 11:18 AM	#6
Bosse'sBoss Drives: '16 Camaro SS 6 spd manual transm. Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: RGV Texas Posts: 1,486	It's amazing that after 7 years of introduction of the 6th gen Camaro still its very competitive with outstanding track performance. During previous reviews the Camaro beat the BMW Ms. On MT 2016 H2H the Camaro SS beat that year BMW M4, also in 2019 in R&T the Camaro SS1LE beat the BMW M2 Competition. MT also has mentioned in other reviews that the 6th gen Camaro SS1LE performs better than the new Supra, Nissan 400Z and better than any non Shelby Mustang including the Mach l. I rather prefer the Camaro instead of the ugly looking BMW and strange looking Supra. For that amount of money of the BMW or Supra you can get a much better performing ZL1 that would destroy them at the track. __________________ '16 Camaro SS Prior cars: '14 Corvette C7 Stingray Z51 '14 Camaro ZL1 w/. Recaro seats '11 Mustang GT 5.0 w. track package '02 Porsche 911 Carrera '05 Infiniti G35 coupe sport

07-23-2023, 09:50 AM	#9
Bosse'sBoss Drives: '16 Camaro SS 6 spd manual transm. Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: RGV Texas Posts: 1,486	"A Supra 3.0 is much cheaper than a ZL1. I think a non optioned M2 is also several thousand $ cheaper than a ZL1." Yes but the SS1LE is much cheaper than the Supra, Nissan 400Z, prior BMW M2 Competition, prior M4, Mach 1 and is able to compete with them and even be faster on the track than most of them. __________________ '16 Camaro SS Prior cars: '14 Corvette C7 Stingray Z51 '14 Camaro ZL1 w/. Recaro seats '11 Mustang GT 5.0 w. track package '02 Porsche 911 Carrera '05 Infiniti G35 coupe sport

07-20-2023, 10:10 PM	#2
CTRifecta Drives: 2SS 1LE Join Date: Jul 2023 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 322	Very odd review of the Camaro, for example , typically I read how good the steering is on the 1LE, however they didn't really agree. I think the A10 just gave a bad taste... Also to be fair I'm sure the M2 and Supra are more nimble feeling in the street.

07-20-2023, 10:23 PM	#3
m6-lt1 Drives: 2023 Chevrolet Camaro 2SS 1LE Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,219	I think the bald guy just didn’t push the 1le hard enough. The harder you push these cars the better. 1le is definitely faster on track then the Supra so I don’t think the Supra really handles any better. The new M2 since it’s a new gen car and the 6th Gen hasn’t really changed much since 2016 I wouldn’t be surprised if it out performs it on track.

07-20-2023, 10:39 PM	#4
MT-SS1LE Drives: 2023 SS 1LE Sharkskin Join Date: Jun 2023 Location: MAGA COUNTRY Posts: 314	Man, that BMW is ugly as sin. And the Supra ain't much better. They can keep 'em both.

07-20-2023, 10:59 PM	#5
Gunkk Thank you Al Oppenheiser! Drives: Red Hot A10 ZL1 Convertible Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Sarasota, FL Posts: 5,043 View My Garage	Shame the M6 was wrecked right before the test. They probably would have enjoyed it more. Not sure about the apples and oranges logic of putting a $75k turbo I6 M6 BMW with 453whp up against a $25k cheaper NA 1SS 1LE A10 ... but since they had tested the ZL1 already (another A10) perhaps they didn't have had a choice w/ the BMW either and had to make the lemonade to get paid.

07-22-2023, 11:13 PM	#8
CTRifecta Drives: 2SS 1LE Join Date: Jul 2023 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 322	Yep and at the end of the day, the Camaro is being discussed in the same breath as real legit sports cars AND has a NA V8 (with 6mt), which is simply going away in about everything besides the mustang.

07-23-2023, 02:38 PM	#11
Kamero6 Drives: 6th Gen LT1 Join Date: Jun 2023 Location: Southeast Posts: 312	The Supra and Bmw Z4 are the same car. So it shares engine and trans with the M2, It's just tuned differently. As far as I remember Toyota made a deal with BMW to have their powertrain and chasis, and give it a toyota body and interior. Between those 2, I'd get whatever is cheaper. Reliability and performance will be the same, besides the tune which is handicapping one of those (so toyota can have BMW engine but can't be faster...). The camaro is better overall, will last longer and is cheaper to buy, mantain and suffers less depreciation.

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