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Old 01-06-2020, 10:59 AM   #1
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Track day questions/tips?

Hey everyone,

My names Joey. I raced some road course stuff and a lot of oval stuff for 9 years honestly almost making it to NASCAR untill we ran out of funding lol

However that as 5 years ago and I still have a major itch. I just picked up a 2020 1SS coupe with the 10spd (Huge indy/f1 fan so I wanted the paddles before anyone gets heated lol) and I plan on tracking the car on local road courses once a month, with some drag stuff in between.

Ive done Motul 600 DOT 4 fluid, track alignment, and im going to do the brake shields and deflectors before the track. What else do you need to do to this car to keep it good/reliable on track?

Through racing all those years ive developed a non-abusive style on my tires/brakes and since I have exposure to/know the local tracks I only plan on making 3-6 lap runs with only 1-3 hard laps a track day, and going home. Im not going to go faster or learn anything staying out there 20 laps at a time, and I dont want to burn up my equipment.

I guess what im asking is other than DOT4 fluid, track alignment, brake shields/deflectors, and better tires when these wear out, what else does this car need to be enjoyed for a small amount of time on track 10-15 times a year?
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Old 01-06-2020, 11:13 AM   #2
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i have a 1ss and i track my car also i have a ton of upgrades but that is really all you need to get going ! better tires are probably the first upgrade i would go with as the stock ones suck ! im on powerstop track day pads right now which are probably just as good or a lil better than the stock brembo ones but been looking for a 1le/zl1 brake kit lately
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Old 01-06-2020, 11:18 AM   #3
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Sounds good man I've been wondering about these stock Brembo pads. They honestly feel great, I don't know how they'll take the heat, but well see. Which pads are better than the stock brembos? And are you tracking an auto or a manual? Everyone tracks the manual and everyone who tracks the auto leaves it in D... does anyone stickily use the paddles? thats what I plan on doing
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i have used the stock brembos and the powerstop ones and ill probably try to find something else more aggressive after but i think it may be time for rotors also


im a manual so i wouldnt know anything about the auto especially the a10
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Old 01-06-2020, 11:34 AM   #5
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Sounds good man I've been wondering about these stock Brembo pads. They honestly feel great, I don't know how they'll take the heat, but well see. Which pads are better than the stock brembos? And are you tracking an auto or a manual? Everyone tracks the manual and everyone who tracks the auto leaves it in D... does anyone stickily use the paddles? thats what I plan on doing
I strickly use the paddles in my A8, however the A10 has has had positive review in full-auto on track.

My pads..https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=567617

High Temp rebuilds...https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=563673
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I strickly use the paddles in my A8, however the A10 has has had positive review in full-auto on track.

My pads..https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=567617

High Temp rebuilds...https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=563673
Thanks for the info guys. I guess the track alignment and DOT4 other than safety is all I needed for some short but aggressive track days. Ill probably just always run stock brembos and replace w the same pads as nessicary to avoid overheating other components and having to re-haul the whole braking system.

I know this has many variables (track/surface, weather, how you enter the corner, how you pitch on the brakes, how fast or slow you roll the center) but it seems most 6th gen SS and SS 1LE guys say the car has mid corner understeer. What have you guys experienced? I plan on feeling it out w the track alignment and if anything adding air to both rears to counter the understeer. In my experience if you can generate more grip (or throw more weight onto the front tires on the brakes closer to the corner) it should counter that with out adjustment. all about weight transfer lol.

Also racing all those years, more brake later into the zone as you start to turn + slowing down the center = less understeer. maybe everyones just rolling the center too fast?
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Thanks for the info guys. I guess the track alignment and DOT4 other than safety is all I needed for some short but aggressive track days. Ill probably just always run stock brembos and replace w the same pads as nessicary to avoid overheating other components and having to re-haul the whole braking system.

I know this has many variables (track/surface, weather, how you enter the corner, how you pitch on the brakes, how fast or slow you roll the center) but it seems most 6th gen SS and SS 1LE guys say the car has mid corner understeer. What have you guys experienced? I plan on feeling it out w the track alignment and if anything adding air to both rears to counter the understeer. In my experience if you can generate more grip (or throw more weight onto the front tires on the brakes closer to the corner) it should counter that with out adjustment. all about weight transfer lol.

Also racing all those years, more brake later into the zone as you start to turn + slowing down the center = less understeer. maybe everyones just rolling the center too fast?

Ive also heard the nasty mid corner understeer is due to no track alignment, I guess well just have to see
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i have track alignment and i feel like my car is pretty balanced but im no pro lol i got a little sideways coming out of the big turn onto the straight yesterday but pretty good !
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Thanks for the info guys. I guess the track alignment and DOT4 other than safety is all I needed for some short but aggressive track days. Ill probably just always run stock brembos and replace w the same pads as nessicary to avoid overheating other components and having to re-haul the whole braking system.

I know this has many variables (track/surface, weather, how you enter the corner, how you pitch on the brakes, how fast or slow you roll the center) but it seems most 6th gen SS and SS 1LE guys say the car has mid corner understeer. What have you guys experienced? I plan on feeling it out w the track alignment and if anything adding air to both rears to counter the understeer. In my experience if you can generate more grip (or throw more weight onto the front tires on the brakes closer to the corner) it should counter that with out adjustment. all about weight transfer lol.

Also racing all those years, more brake later into the zone as you start to turn + slowing down the center = less understeer. maybe everyones just rolling the center too fast?
I added increased rear brake bias and it has appeared to help with that mid-corner understeer specifically. Had not messed with air pressures other than hitting target pressure. Your knowledge and experience paired with the 6th gen should not let you down! Enjoy those track day laps!!
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I added increased rear brake bias and it has appeared to help with that mid-corner understeer specifically. Had not messed with air pressures other than hitting target pressure. Your knowledge and experience paired with the 6th gen should not let you down! Enjoy those track day laps!!
yeah man appreciate it I'm super excited lol. How do you increase or decrease brake bias on these cars? In a race car its just a dial you turn usually on the dash or console lol...

Appreciate that man Ive heard from other guys its the kind of car that you can usually balance out just by changing throttle and braking technique which is exciting to me
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i have track alignment and i feel like my car is pretty balanced but im no pro lol i got a little sideways coming out of the big turn onto the straight yesterday but pretty good !
Lol gotta kick it out of course

What type of regular tire wear do you see on the street w the track alignment? or the tires dont last long enough to have a noticeable effect of abnormal wear anyways lol//
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i dont drive much on the streets only have a about 27k on my 16ss had my michelin ps4s for a few years with about 3 track days and a few auto x
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Old 01-06-2020, 02:02 PM   #13
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I always use the paddles on track with my A8. I think I am going to try some auto laps this year though as the A8 does seem to shift lazier in manual mode. I do like to run a gear high in some track sections and use the torque to be smooth, but I need to see if auto mode will be faster or not and how much i'll have to adjust my driving style.

I would also recommend getting wheels and tires as I never tracked the car on the runflats. I went straight to the 1LE Goodyear Supercar 3s. My car was also optioned with the 6 piston brakes so I'm not sure how the 4 pistons hold up, but I used to run the Motul 600 and now run SRF.

I run full time track alignment and even though it doesn't seem to be enough camber for me on the track, I have still corded the insides of the front tires every time. Only have 13k miles and I will be going on my 4th set of front G3s. Pic of typical tire wear for me, also my avatar pic.
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yeah man appreciate it I'm super excited lol. How do you increase or decrease brake bias on these cars? In a race car its just a dial you turn usually on the dash or console lol...

Appreciate that man Ive heard from other guys its the kind of car that you can usually balance out just by changing throttle and braking technique which is exciting to me
"Old fashioned" fancy, just a physical changing of the pad with different friction/compound combinations...
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