Running my track setup without TPMS?

citizennick · 06-22-2017, 01:34 PM

About to have my new wheels and tires mounted this weekend and was wondering if I could forgo putting my TPMS sensors in without any issues. Would rather not have to take it somewhere all the time to have the TPMS sensors from each set re-paired to the car.

slick3 · 06-26-2017, 01:45 PM

Nick,

Have you tried putting them on the car, Removing ALL THE AIR. Key on, Key off, Fill them all back up and key on? Obviously this is if you decide to get TPMS sensors....

Used to work on my Mustang. Not sure about the camaros. I got new TPMS sensors for my track wheels but didnt get the learn tool yet. I will try it out when I get them and let you know.

Eric SS · 06-26-2017, 01:53 PM

I don't run TPMS sensors in my track wheels and there are no issues except the little orange icon on the dash.

kropscamaro16 · 06-26-2017, 02:22 PM

i used to have to switch back and forth from my hre wheels to my stock wheels and i would have the light on for a day or so and then it would go back when i put the wheels back with the sensors in

BradfordCamaro · 06-26-2017, 02:52 PM

I would rather check and adjust my tires throughout the day myself than trust the TPMS.
I don't have them in my FS01s. No issues.

seanblurr · 06-26-2017, 06:03 PM

Non-1LE's don't have PTM modes, right? A TPMS issue will prevent cars equipped with PTM from going into PTM mode. If that isnt an issue for you, then I don't see a reason you "need" the sensors. With that said I have a set in my track wheels and I bought a $40 remote so I could repair the car when I switch wheels.

Glen e · 06-26-2017, 06:51 PM

Bypass the entire TPMS system:

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/is-...pipe-bomb.html

Norm Peterson · 06-30-2017, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanblurr

Non-1LE's don't have PTM modes, right? A TPMS issue will prevent cars equipped with PTM from going into PTM mode.

Would a TPMS issue prevent you from simply turning everything completely off and setting individual items such as steering even if your car did have PTM modes?

Norm

bpang1234 · 06-30-2017, 03:08 PM

You don't need them but I want to note that I am impressed with the seeming accuracy of these TPMS sensors.

As I was airing up my tires this weekend, I watched from the dash as the PSI went up in each tire matching what the gauge on my tire compressor was showing. Pretty cool.

The one advantage I can see is that if you trust the TPMS readout on the dash, you no longer have to do the hand gauge measurements between runs. Which adds convenience and saves time. You can also see what they are at during your hot laps by glancing at the readout rather than wait until you get into the pits...so you know the PSI your tires run at when you are at 10/10ths not just after you've let them cool a bit as you coast into the pits.

Did that make sense?

thescreensavers · 06-30-2017, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Would a TPMS issue prevent you from simply turning everything completely off and setting individual items such as steering even if your car did have PTM modes?

Norm

PTM uses the tpms to tell what the tire temps are to assume grip levels. I suppose there are default modes if tpms is non functional. But steering/exhaust modes should not be affected

OminouSS · 07-04-2017, 02:00 AM

my sensors are so off. I have 4 sets of wheels and took sensors out of all but my stockers.

Norm Peterson · 07-04-2017, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thescreensavers

PTM uses the tpms to tell what the tire temps are to assume grip levels.

The only way I can see that working is if either TPMS or Stabilitrak infers a temperature rise from the pressure increase. Which sounds like if you don't set the tires to door sticker pressures, TPMS would basically be telling lies to Stabilitrak. Does anybody ever set tires used in autocross or HPDE to those? I kind of doubt that everybody sets their cold 'street' pressures to sticker numbers.

If you're running R-comps or only something like RE71R's, ST might leave more usable grip "on the table" than necessary because it doesn't know how much grip is really available.

Sound reasonable?

Norm

MoreSpeed · 07-05-2017, 02:03 AM

No issues with non TPMS wheels other than the indicator light as mentioned above.

However I bought a $38 tool on Amazon that will make my car read the new TPMS setup for the new wheels. They don't automatically pick up the new wheels and new sensors. For that matter, they will not even pick up the same factory sensors if you rotate non-directional tires side to side. The tool resets the TPMS so it can read the sensors for that particular wheel.

I find tire pressure readings are helpful in autox and I like others here find the readings pretty accurate.

06-22-2017, 01:34 PM	#1
citizennick Drives: 2016 2SS Join Date: May 2015 Location: Hastings, NE Posts: 318	Running my track setup without TPMS? About to have my new wheels and tires mounted this weekend and was wondering if I could forgo putting my TPMS sensors in without any issues. Would rather not have to take it somewhere all the time to have the TPMS sensors from each set re-paired to the car. __________________ 2016 2SS M6 Black/Adrenaline Red 589rwhp 572rwtq 429 LT1

06-26-2017, 02:22 PM	#4
kropscamaro16 Drives: 2016 1ss camaro Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: 909 Posts: 10,130	i used to have to switch back and forth from my hre wheels to my stock wheels and i would have the light on for a day or so and then it would go back when i put the wheels back with the sensors in __________________ 16 1SS NIGHTFALL GRAY METALLIC WITH NPP #BECAUSERACECAR #SAVETHEMANUALS

06-26-2017, 02:52 PM	#5
BradfordCamaro SABIO Drives: 2016 CAMARO 1SS Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Bradford, ON Posts: 5,012	I would rather check and adjust my tires throughout the day myself than trust the TPMS. I don't have them in my FS01s. No issues. __________________

06-26-2017, 06:03 PM	#6
seanblurr Drives: ZL1 1LE Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: California Posts: 1,299	Non-1LE's don't have PTM modes, right? A TPMS issue will prevent cars equipped with PTM from going into PTM mode. If that isnt an issue for you, then I don't see a reason you "need" the sensors. With that said I have a set in my track wheels and I bought a $40 remote so I could repair the car when I switch wheels. __________________

06-26-2017, 06:51 PM	#7
Glen e Retired from Car mfrs.... Drives: 2LT RS/HR-V Join Date: May 2013 Location: /Fort Lauderdale Posts: 10,044	Bypass the entire TPMS system: https://www.clublexus.com/forums/is-...pipe-bomb.html __________________ Glen CLICK HERE for detailing a new car: detailing for non detailers CLICK HERE for how to rinseless CLICK HERE for EASY wheel sealant

06-26-2017, 01:45 PM	#2
slick3 Drives: Garnet Red - 20 ZLE Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,010	Nick, Have you tried putting them on the car, Removing ALL THE AIR. Key on, Key off, Fill them all back up and key on? Obviously this is if you decide to get TPMS sensors.... Used to work on my Mustang. Not sure about the camaros. I got new TPMS sensors for my track wheels but didnt get the learn tool yet. I will try it out when I get them and let you know.

06-26-2017, 01:53 PM	#3
Eric SS #becauseracecar Drives: 2016 SS Sedan, 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: May 2015 Location: Phoenix Posts: 2,959	I don't run TPMS sensors in my track wheels and there are no issues except the little orange icon on the dash.

06-30-2017, 03:08 PM	#9
bpang1234 You can only YOLO once. Drives: '16 2SS & '15 Subaru Forester Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Albany, OR Posts: 1,677	You don't need them but I want to note that I am impressed with the seeming accuracy of these TPMS sensors. As I was airing up my tires this weekend, I watched from the dash as the PSI went up in each tire matching what the gauge on my tire compressor was showing. Pretty cool. The one advantage I can see is that if you trust the TPMS readout on the dash, you no longer have to do the hand gauge measurements between runs. Which adds convenience and saves time. You can also see what they are at during your hot laps by glancing at the readout rather than wait until you get into the pits...so you know the PSI your tires run at when you are at 10/10ths not just after you've let them cool a bit as you coast into the pits. Did that make sense? __________________ 2016 Camaro 2ss -Summit White / Ceramic White -8A, NPP, MRC, Ceramic White package plus knee pads, black bowties. -1st Car to have the "full" SEMA High Performance Graphics kit from 6LEDesigns. -1st Car to have the 6LEDesigns Blade Spoiler. -Borla S-Type w/ custom H-Pipe -Procharger P-1X Stage 2

07-04-2017, 02:00 AM	#11
OminouSS Drives: Red Hot track candy Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NorCal Posts: 1,092	my sensors are so off. I have 4 sets of wheels and took sensors out of all but my stockers. __________________ Baby born 11/08/16. Left birthing place 11/25/16. Arrived home 12/6/16: '17 Red Hot ZL1. Stock.

07-05-2017, 02:03 AM	#13
MoreSpeed Drives: 2017 Hyper Blue A10 ZL1 Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: New England Posts: 716	No issues with non TPMS wheels other than the indicator light as mentioned above. However I bought a $38 tool on Amazon that will make my car read the new TPMS setup for the new wheels. They don't automatically pick up the new wheels and new sensors. For that matter, they will not even pick up the same factory sensors if you rotate non-directional tires side to side. The tool resets the TPMS so it can read the sensors for that particular wheel. I find tire pressure readings are helpful in autox and I like others here find the readings pretty accurate. __________________ - Life is a highway... I want to ride it all night long... Sold 2010 997 GT3, 2016 WRX, 2006 997 C2S, 2003 996 C4S, 2001 Boxster S, 1997 E420 AMG etc..

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