Homepage Garage Wiki Register Community Calendar Today's Posts Search
#Camaro6
Go Back   CAMARO6 > Engine | Drivetrain | Powertrain Technical Discussions > Forced Induction Discussions


Bigwormgraphix


Post Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 03-11-2017, 08:20 AM   #1
Chevy71

 
Drives: 2016 2SS
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Pittsburgh PA
Posts: 977
Already Pro-Charged guys

I have read countless information on this forum, on websites, and spoke with a few garages about centri vs PD. My question is for the guys running a pro-charger. What is the extra maintenance like on these, Do you have traction issues on the big end with street tires, and do the chargers need rebuilt every 50k? I'm really curious if anyone is running street tires and using this just for DD and not track time.. how does it drive and fit the DD aspect. What's the fuel usage like and is it usable street power.

I'm leaning towards doing a pro charger over a Whipple or Maggie and the questions above are my concerns on the pro chargers. I like not worrying about heat soak, IAT's, and too much torque on the bottom end. I love the maintenance free aspect of the PD set ups and the torque. After all, torque is how hard you hit the wall haha
Chevy71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2017, 01:49 PM   #2
Cdflyer
 
Cdflyer's Avatar
 
Drives: 2016 1SS 6speed
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: IL
Posts: 527
I've been dailying mine as of recent. First and second gear over 3K are pretty useless in my M6 due to tire spin. My mileage isn't that bad considering I drive like a jerk and like to listen to the blower whine. ProCharger included enough oil to do a few oil changes with the kit so that saves some expense.
__________________
2016 1SS M6 P1SC Stg II 592rwhp/548rwtq (for now)
GForce Outlaw axles & driveshaft, TSP 2” LT’s, turndowns, RTS S71 drag pack with radials.
Cdflyer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2017, 02:22 PM   #3
Chevy71

 
Drives: 2016 2SS
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Pittsburgh PA
Posts: 977
In five or six months I put 14k miles on.. is the added maintenance going to cripple me with oil changes and all? I also hear after 50k miles the unit needs rebuilt. I worry about the reliability, the maintenance, and traction lol

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cdflyer View Post
I've been dailying mine as of recent. First and second gear over 3K are pretty useless in my M6 due to tire spin. My mileage isn't that bad considering I drive like a jerk and like to listen to the blower whine. ProCharger included enough oil to do a few oil changes with the kit so that saves some expense.
Chevy71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2017, 02:32 PM   #4
lcarney1977
 
Drives: 2016 CAMARO SS
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: mass
Posts: 210
i drive my car as a daily also and have no probelms at all and none with tractaion, the procharger oil you can change every 10K miles i heard so thats not bad...and 50k i never heard to rebuild the procharger...
lcarney1977 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2017, 02:44 PM   #5
Chevy71

 
Drives: 2016 2SS
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Pittsburgh PA
Posts: 977
Quote:
Originally Posted by lcarney1977 View Post
i drive my car as a daily also and have no probelms at all and none with tractaion, the procharger oil you can change every 10K miles i heard so thats not bad...and 50k i never heard to rebuild the procharger...
The 50k rebuild is my biggest hang up, that and no traction in the lower gears.. spinning won't get me anywhere lol. So I'm relieved to see that a rebuild may not be true! Have you had a PD style blower in the past by any chance?
Chevy71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2017, 03:34 PM   #6
Cdflyer
 
Cdflyer's Avatar
 
Drives: 2016 1SS 6speed
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: IL
Posts: 527
Even ProCharger doesn't say anything about a rebuild at 50K. The oil is $40 for a 3pk from Summit. It's 1 bottle per oil change. It's really not that bad. I plan on changing the oil when I do the engine oil change. Easier to remember.
__________________
2016 1SS M6 P1SC Stg II 592rwhp/548rwtq (for now)
GForce Outlaw axles & driveshaft, TSP 2” LT’s, turndowns, RTS S71 drag pack with radials.
Cdflyer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2017, 03:55 PM   #7
lcarney1977
 
Drives: 2016 CAMARO SS
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: mass
Posts: 210
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chevy71 View Post
The 50k rebuild is my biggest hang up, that and no traction in the lower gears.. spinning won't get me anywhere lol. So I'm relieved to see that a rebuild may not be true! Have you had a PD style blower in the past by any chance?
yes my 5th gen had a pd blower and that thing spun like crazy until i got street slicks.. love the procharger cause it dont spin unless u really gun it in first cause of where the boost comes in on these in mid to hi range,, the highway pulls are fun.. things a beast and pulls hard up top... im pretty sure you change the oil every 10k my builder told me...
lcarney1977 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2017, 04:04 PM   #8
Chevy71

 
Drives: 2016 2SS
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Pittsburgh PA
Posts: 977
Quote:
Originally Posted by lcarney1977 View Post
yes my 5th gen had a pd blower and that thing spun like crazy until i got street slicks.. love the procharger cause it dont spin unless u really gun it in first cause of where the boost comes in on these in mid to hi range,, the highway pulls are fun.. things a beast and pulls hard up top... im pretty sure you change the oil every 10k my builder told me...
You are the first person that had both and gave me a clear perspective! That is great information and I really appreciate it! I don't want the spinning, that eats up expensive tires and doesn't move me forward at all haha.
Chevy71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2017, 04:06 PM   #9
Chevy71

 
Drives: 2016 2SS
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Pittsburgh PA
Posts: 977
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cdflyer View Post
Even ProCharger doesn't say anything about a rebuild at 50K. The oil is $40 for a 3pk from Summit. It's 1 bottle per oil change. It's really not that bad. I plan on changing the oil when I do the engine oil change. Easier to remember.
So it sounds like I don't need to worry about the rebuild then, and the oil change is no big deal. Thanks for the input, I'm feeling much better about going pro-charger. Do you think the hwy miles I put on will be an issue with one?
Chevy71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2017, 04:19 PM   #10
Cdflyer
 
Cdflyer's Avatar
 
Drives: 2016 1SS 6speed
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: IL
Posts: 527
I don't think you'll have any issues. I've known guys that DD ProChargers with no issues. If you wait until the middle of June, I'll let you know how it survives the Power Tour. That's a pretty good test if you ask me.
__________________
2016 1SS M6 P1SC Stg II 592rwhp/548rwtq (for now)
GForce Outlaw axles & driveshaft, TSP 2” LT’s, turndowns, RTS S71 drag pack with radials.
Cdflyer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2017, 07:56 PM   #11
Chevy71

 
Drives: 2016 2SS
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Pittsburgh PA
Posts: 977
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cdflyer View Post
I don't think you'll have any issues. I've known guys that DD ProChargers with no issues. If you wait until the middle of June, I'll let you know how it survives the Power Tour. That's a pretty good test if you ask me.
That will certainly tell the reliability, but I want to get my car finished before this driving season gets here lol. I'm leaning heavily towards the pro-charger
Chevy71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2017, 08:46 PM   #12
SC88
Twin Turbo
 
SC88's Avatar
 
Drives: 2016 2SS
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Illinois
Posts: 290
You will be fine. Like mentioned earlier you drive normal it will be like street driving any car. The more throttle you add the greater chance you have of wheel spin because your building boost.

I had a 900whp 4th gen SS with a F-1 could drive it anywhere like a normal person in any weather with no problems. Heres a simple way to look at it.

Throttle x Engine Load + RPM = Boost + Wheel Spin.
__________________
Boost, Boost & More Boost
Instagram = BoostedSS
SC88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2017, 10:11 PM   #13
Chevy71

 
Drives: 2016 2SS
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Pittsburgh PA
Posts: 977
Quote:
Originally Posted by SC88 View Post
You will be fine. Like mentioned earlier you drive normal it will be like street driving any car. The more throttle you add the greater chance you have of wheel spin because your building boost.

I had a 900whp 4th gen SS with a F-1 could drive it anywhere like a normal person in any weather with no problems. Heres a simple way to look at it.

Throttle x Engine Load + RPM = Boost + Wheel Spin.
Thanks! It's the wheel spin on the top side that worries me more than anything, or a highway punch and instead of moving forward I spin the wheels lol. I'm sure the same issue is there with a roots system though.
Chevy71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2017, 10:28 PM   #14
SC88
Twin Turbo
 
SC88's Avatar
 
Drives: 2016 2SS
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Illinois
Posts: 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chevy71 View Post
Thanks! It's the wheel spin on the top side that worries me more than anything, or a highway punch and instead of moving forward I spin the wheels lol. I'm sure the same issue is there with a roots system though.
You have one thing going for you and that's being a Manual transmission.

You won't have to worry about a downshift with throttle input unless you want it. Now I do not have a procharged 6th gen, I am actually working on a Maggie install on mine so I am only speaking of my experience with my 4th gen which was a manual.

Adding the power for me changed how I used the car for example if your cruising along @ 70 in 6th gear and you need to pass someone moving slower there won't be a need to downshift because your car will have enough power. I loved I never needed to downshift on the highway, Your 5th gear with the procharger will feel like your 4th gear at stock power levels while cruising, 4th gear will feel like 3rd gear and so on.. So you shouldn't have any problems being able to determine how much power you need preparing yourself to go around someone.

I will admit my TCS saved my ass a few times because I laid into the throttle too much just messing around on the street but that was usually in 1st & 2nd gear once you get adjusted to the new power levels of your car you will be able to determine when you need to use WOT vs 50% to get out in traffic or around someone. If your the type to go WOT every chance you get then your going to have problems but if your RESPONSIBLE and RESPECT the power levels you have you will be fine.
__________________
Boost, Boost & More Boost
Instagram = BoostedSS
SC88 is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Post Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:31 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.