[Corner carver]

Hey fellas!

Been busy talking to a few aftermarket companies about developing some high end parts for our little turbo monsters. One of these companies being the Driveshaft Shop
Long story short: the bad dudes there are totally down for developing us a carbon fiber driveshaft and axles

We're just starting to discuss this and I guess what I'm looking for is your guy's interests and ideas concerning this...nothing has happened yet, but I wanted to keep everyone here in the loop.

Please let me know if there's interest in this, questions, ideas, ect as we get this ball rolling!

More product threads to come! (I hope)

[Corner carver]

The first hurdle so to speak is getting measurements of the stock driveshaft and axles back to these guys so they can get started. Would like to get measurements of both an M6 setup and A8 setup as I doubt they're the same... Unless you A8 guys aren't interested

[rorymick]

It'd be awesome if the drive shafts were the same between the A8 and M6. I have an A8 but sooner or later want to switch to the LSD diff from the manual model cars.

But do go forward with this idea as its worth it!

[Corner carver]

Originally Posted by rorymick

It'd be awesome if the drive shafts were the same between the A8 and M6. I have an A8 but sooner or later want to switch to the LSD diff from the manual model cars.

But do go forward with this idea as its worth it!

I currently can't move or get under my car because of where it's stored for the winter to even take a look... That would be amazing if they were the same length/flange/spline/whatever, but I doubt we'll get that lucky lol

The task of measuring the stock equipment accurately looks involved (judging from their website's instructions) and may require removing said equipment to do properly...

[Jason@JacFab]

I can't see the benefit of replicating the stock axles in the a8 car. Anyone that wants to put the power to the ground will probably end up switching to a manual diff and axles, and the axles are not the same. Couldn't tell you about the drive shaft...

I've been watching for a manual diff to swap into the car. Would definitely be interested in the driveshaft, but I question if the axles would really be necessary at this point in time with the a8. I think there is enough cushion and lag with the automatic to not snap the axles. This could change in time with some all out purpose builds though? Manual is a different story though.


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[Captslow]

I'd be interested any thoughts on pricing

[Start The Machine]

I would definitely be interested in a carbon fiber drive shaft. G force makes an aluminum one and mentions removing a CV Joint for additional weight savings. Do all M6's share the same transmission, driveshaft and rear dif set up??

https://gforce1320.com/product-categ...n-camaro-2016/

[Corner carver]

Originally Posted by Jason@JacFab

I can't see the benefit of replicating the stock axles in the a8 car. Anyone that wants to put the power to the ground will probably end up switching to a manual diff and axles, and the axles are not the same. Couldn't tell you about the drive shaft...

I've been watching for a manual diff to swap into the car. Would definitely be interested in the driveshaft, but I question if the axles would really be necessary at this point in time with the a8. I think there is enough cushion and lag with the automatic to not snap the axles. This could change in time with some all out purpose builds though? Manual is a different story though.


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This is the exact kind of input I was hoping for! It seems right off the get go that the rear diff swap from A8 to M6 could be a popular one for guys looking to make some power AND be able to use it. This makes sense to me as the non-availability of the LSD with the A8 took it right of the table for me at the onset. I test drove the A8 (no M6 to test drive) and really liked it, if it came with the LSD this is the first car I've bought that I would've considered an auto in...

That's kinda why I was thinking about axles also, for the people who will not be satisfied with stock turbos and internals... For now (for me) this will simply kill a bit of rotational weight and add to the response from the lighter driveshaft. Long term, when making 350-400ft/lbs with some sticky tires and droping the clutch too hard now and then I don't want any drivetrain worries... I plan on using this sucker!
My thought from the beginning was to beef up the drivetrain first so it didn't hold back my build latter...and knew I wanted to kill as much rotating weight as possible on a street car while doing it (not get insane with it)

[Corner carver]

To that end also I'm looking for suggestions on companies to contact for a higher capacity/lighter clutch and flywheel combo... Again even though I'm looking at making some solid power latter on it still needs to be a 'comfortable' setup for the street.

[Corner carver]

Originally Posted by Captslow

I'd be interested any thoughts on pricing

Well, I don't speak for these guys at all..
But judging from their website I think anywhere from $1200-$1500 for either the driveshaft or axles.
That's just a rough idea mind you, I really couldn't say for sure.

Not sure if they actually do carbon fiber axles, I need to clairfy that in my next message to them.

[Corner carver]

Originally Posted by Start The Machine

I would definitely be interested in a carbon fiber drive shaft. G force makes an aluminum one and mentions removing a CV Joint for additional weight savings. Do all M6's share the same transmission, driveshaft and rear dif set up??

https://gforce1320.com/product-categ...n-camaro-2016/

This is awesome that this is attracting so much feedback already!
As far as I know our LTG M6 rear diffs are different from the rest of the camaro line-up. I believe the V6 and V8 share the same rear diff and axles when talking about the M6 in those models. I would welcome confirmation on that info though (part#'s)

I actually looked into gforce first but didn't notice any indication that they work with carbon fiber and that is really what I'm interested in for my car. On the other hand, having more than one manufacturer option would be great and might help mediate the cost to us consumers...

[ChicagoTommy]

I haven't really thought about this as it's been a non-issue. I've not seen or heard of a single broken driveshaft or axle in an LTG powered car. And I don't see there being an appreciable weight reduction going from steel to aluminum to make any appreciable or perceptible difference. Carbon fiber will be a really tough sell due to the cost. Personally, I won't use an aluminum driveshaft. I've seen way too many stock aluminum shafts break in 4th gen cars at near stock power levels.

Corner Carver, I disagree with adding overkill driveline before adding any power. I've seen tons of guys do just that, then be very disappointed when they run a much slower ET than expected. Obviously, I'm referring to LS cars with larger aftermarket rear ends and such. And granted, no one is yet seriously racing M6 cars on slicks!

[Start The Machine]

Originally Posted by ChicagoTommy

I haven't really thought about this as it's been a non-issue. I've not seen or heard of a single broken driveshaft or axle in an LTG powered car. And I don't see there being an appreciable weight reduction going from steel to aluminum to make any appreciable or perceptible difference. Carbon fiber will be a really tough sell due to the cost. Personally, I won't use an aluminum driveshaft. I've seen way too many stock aluminum shafts break in 4th gen cars at near stock power levels.

Corner Carver, I disagree with adding overkill driveline before adding any power. I've seen tons of guys do just that, then be very disappointed when they run a much slower ET than expected. Obviously, I'm referring to LS cars with larger aftermarket rear ends and such. And granted, no one is yet seriously racing M6 cars on slicks!

I agree with you on this. The drive shaft would have to be substantially lighter to notice any difference and a carbon fiber option is going to be very expensive. I am definitely going for a lighter flywheel and an aftermarket clutch when the time comes. Much cheaper upgrade and a very noticeable difference from past experiences.

[Captslow]

Originally Posted by Start The Machine

I agree with you on this. The drive shaft would have to be substantially lighter to notice any difference and a carbon fiber option is going to be very expensive. I am definitely going for a lighter flywheel and an aftermarket clutch when the time comes. Much cheaper upgrade and a very noticeable difference from past experiences.

What are the pros and cons of a lighter flywheel on a turbo car?