So...this happened yesterday...

Canyon Carver · 12-18-2016, 12:47 PM

My first American Car. My first Camaro. My first V-8.

I can't say enough about how impressed I am with this car. Chevy has really put together a fantastic sports car. Immense power, taught, but not uncomfortable suspension, beautifully weighted steering and sounds that make my soul shiver. I'm really loving this car so far...

Growing up with a gear head Dad who had everything - foreign or domestic, I gravitated towards BMW in the eighties and it kind of stuck. Last night I traded in my 2011 135i for this new Camaro. The 135 had a full performance suspension and a stage 1 flash. It was mighty quick (4.6 to 60) and handled amazingly well...it saw the track a half dozen times and I moved across the country with it. Yeah, I'm sad to see it go, but five years and many memories later, it was time. The risk of paying for BMW repairs out of warranty just didn't appeal to me. So the search was on.

I tried buying another BMW. I really did...for months. I was waiting on the M2 that materialized into a 25k markup for some dealers, instantly blowing my budget. I get that it's not unusual for many dealers to do it across brands, but it doesn't make it right.

Since the M2 was out of the picture, I looked to the M240i with the new B58 motor; more power, great torque and the successor to my car. It seemed to make sense until I drove one. It didn't inspire like my 135. Electric steering isn't horrible, but what you read is true. There's a dead, disconnected feeling. It felt dumbed down from my car. Maybe you get used to it with time, but I wasn't going to take the chance on a fifty thousand dollar car. It didn't give me the angry and visceral rewards of the 135. It was comfortable and fast, and too civilized.

So I pulled the trigger on a 2017 1SS. I didn't even feel the need to go 2SS...I saved a ton of money over the BMW and got an incredible performance car. Stating the obvious, the Camaro is not civilized, but it's evolved. It's so much more than a drag car and I'm heading up to the mountains today to get to know it. I've got tons of questions and look forward to learning more about mods, issues, etc.

Plus, if anyone's interested, I'll try to update thoughts on the car as I get to know it. Feeling a bit patriotic at the moment...nice to go American.

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Interesting article on HPS vs. EPS: http://www.caranddriver.com/features...n-test-feature

WhyUMad1LE · 12-18-2016, 12:53 PM

Congrats. I was also waiting for the M2 before the dealers started adding markups. I liked it for sure but not that much.

The Camaro also has EPS but they did a very good job tuning it; in tour mode mine reminds me of a previous gen C63. I think these use the same ZF steering rack as the ATS-V and M3, just tuned differently.

John20162SS · 12-18-2016, 12:54 PM

Beautiful car, good luck with it

Padre · 12-18-2016, 01:01 PM

Nice review. I've got a 2007 Z4 Coupe that I love and don't want to part with. But I put it in storage once I picked up my 2016 2SS. A different driving experience to be sure, but like you say, the Camaro is evolved, and I would add sophisticated. An improvement too over my previous 2011 Camaro.

Padre

Frank237 · 12-18-2016, 01:22 PM

Beautiful car....Exact color, wheels and stripes I was going to order. Then found choice #2 nearby and pulled the trigger on that one instead.

I think you are going to be pleasantly surprised with your upkeep and maintenance costs versus the BMW.

Good Luck with Your new ride!

laynlo15 · 12-18-2016, 01:33 PM

Looks awesome

Richard0nee · 12-18-2016, 01:56 PM

Looks badass, congrats! Loving the silver and black!

cbr1100xx · 12-18-2016, 02:01 PM

You picked an incredible color combo! Congrats!

AZCamaroFan · 12-18-2016, 02:04 PM

smart,great, awesome choice.

Ruebernard · 12-18-2016, 02:14 PM

Welcome, and happy motoring! Your car is beautiful.

SSport16 · 12-18-2016, 02:23 PM

Congrats, you will love it! Have fun on those mountain roads, I have brought mine up to the mountains here in NC a few times, love it!

LibertyHill · 12-18-2016, 05:25 PM

Nearly identical to my story in coming to this car. Enjoy.

OldJedi · 12-18-2016, 05:49 PM

Congratulations!!! Best of luck with your new car. Adding some 1LE wheels and tires will improve handling.

JeffMorse · 12-18-2016, 06:20 PM

I never even considered the silver before.. dang that looks sharp. Congrats on the new ride!

12-18-2016, 12:47 PM	#1
Canyon Carver Drives: 2017 Camaro 1 SS Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: La Crescenta, CA Posts: 54	So...this happened yesterday... My first American Car. My first Camaro. My first V-8. I can't say enough about how impressed I am with this car. Chevy has really put together a fantastic sports car. Immense power, taught, but not uncomfortable suspension, beautifully weighted steering and sounds that make my soul shiver. I'm really loving this car so far... Growing up with a gear head Dad who had everything - foreign or domestic, I gravitated towards BMW in the eighties and it kind of stuck. Last night I traded in my 2011 135i for this new Camaro. The 135 had a full performance suspension and a stage 1 flash. It was mighty quick (4.6 to 60) and handled amazingly well...it saw the track a half dozen times and I moved across the country with it. Yeah, I'm sad to see it go, but five years and many memories later, it was time. The risk of paying for BMW repairs out of warranty just didn't appeal to me. So the search was on. I tried buying another BMW. I really did...for months. I was waiting on the M2 that materialized into a 25k markup for some dealers, instantly blowing my budget. I get that it's not unusual for many dealers to do it across brands, but it doesn't make it right. Since the M2 was out of the picture, I looked to the M240i with the new B58 motor; more power, great torque and the successor to my car. It seemed to make sense until I drove one. It didn't inspire like my 135. Electric steering isn't horrible, but what you read is true. There's a dead, disconnected feeling. It felt dumbed down from my car. Maybe you get used to it with time, but I wasn't going to take the chance on a fifty thousand dollar car. It didn't give me the angry and visceral rewards of the 135. It was comfortable and fast, and too civilized. So I pulled the trigger on a 2017 1SS. I didn't even feel the need to go 2SS...I saved a ton of money over the BMW and got an incredible performance car. Stating the obvious, the Camaro is not civilized, but it's evolved. It's so much more than a drag car and I'm heading up to the mountains today to get to know it. I've got tons of questions and look forward to learning more about mods, issues, etc. Plus, if anyone's interested, I'll try to update thoughts on the car as I get to know it. Feeling a bit patriotic at the moment...nice to go American. ========================================== Interesting article on HPS vs. EPS: http://www.caranddriver.com/features...n-test-feature Attached Images

12-18-2016, 01:01 PM	#4
Padre Only drives on Sundays Drives: '16 2SS A8 NPP MRC NGray Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Dalton, GA Posts: 2,500 View My Garage	Nice review. I've got a 2007 Z4 Coupe that I love and don't want to part with. But I put it in storage once I picked up my 2016 2SS. A different driving experience to be sure, but like you say, the Camaro is evolved, and I would add sophisticated. An improvement too over my previous 2011 Camaro. Padre __________________ OLD HOTNESS: The "Heretic": '11 2SS/RS L99 A6 Black/Inferno. Build Journal, Videos D1SC GT9 JBA-LT = 720/680 \| 10.330 @ 133.61, 1.546 sixty... Camaro King at ECS V, Darlington. NEW HOTNESS: '16 2SS A8 NPP MRC. Bone Stock, 1/8th: 8.051 @ 89.44, 1.919

12-18-2016, 02:14 PM	#10
Ruebernard Drives: 2023 Radiant Red Tintcoat 2SS Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Oro Valley Posts: 1,200 View My Garage	Welcome, and happy motoring! Your car is beautiful. __________________ If it were more fun, it would be illegal!

12-18-2016, 02:23 PM	#11
SSport16 Drives: 2016 Garnet Red Camaro 2SS Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,435	Congrats, you will love it! Have fun on those mountain roads, I have brought mine up to the mountains here in NC a few times, love it! __________________ 2SS Camaro, Garnet Red, Adrenaline Red, NPP, MRC, A8, 5 Split Spoke Bright Silver Wheels (56W) 1100 Status - 7/24/15 (Ordered) 3800 Status - 10/13/15 (Built) 6000 Status - 12/22/15 (Delivered)

12-18-2016, 05:25 PM	#12
LibertyHill Drives: 16 2SS 6MT NPP MRC / 15 K1300S Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: NW of Austin Posts: 1,034	Nearly identical to my story in coming to this car. Enjoy. __________________ Rohana RFX-5 10/11, M/T 275/305, Eibachs, Hellwigs, Hurst SS, DMS LT4 SC 596HP/589TQ, DMS Low-side, Kooks 2LTs, MBRP Race, Rotofab, MMS CC

12-18-2016, 12:53 PM	#2
WhyUMad1LE Drives: 17 SS 1LE Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Houston Posts: 1,920	Congrats. I was also waiting for the M2 before the dealers started adding markups. I liked it for sure but not that much. The Camaro also has EPS but they did a very good job tuning it; in tour mode mine reminds me of a previous gen C63. I think these use the same ZF steering rack as the ATS-V and M3, just tuned differently.

12-18-2016, 12:54 PM	#3
John20162SS Drives: 2016 2SS Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: New York Posts: 200 View My Garage	Beautiful car, good luck with it

12-18-2016, 01:22 PM	#5
Frank237 Drives: Kubota 2640, 83 BMW R-65, 2017 1 SS Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Craig, MT Posts: 643	Beautiful car....Exact color, wheels and stripes I was going to order. Then found choice #2 nearby and pulled the trigger on that one instead. I think you are going to be pleasantly surprised with your upkeep and maintenance costs versus the BMW. Good Luck with Your new ride!

12-18-2016, 01:33 PM	#6
laynlo15 Drives: 2022 Lt1 A10 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: clark, mo Posts: 8,882	Looks awesome

12-18-2016, 01:56 PM	#7
Richard0nee Drives: 2016 SS M6, NPP Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Hawthorne, CA Posts: 1,957	Looks badass, congrats! Loving the silver and black!

12-18-2016, 02:01 PM	#8
cbr1100xx Account Suspended Drives: '14 Jetta 1.8, '19 1SS Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 886	You picked an incredible color combo! Congrats!

12-18-2016, 02:04 PM	#9
AZCamaroFan Camaro6 2016-2018 Drives: sometimes Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 18,468	smart,great, awesome choice.

12-18-2016, 05:49 PM	#13
OldJedi Use the Force Drives: 2015 Corvette Z51, 2018 Porsche GTS Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Davie, Fl. Posts: 3,862	Congratulations!!! Best of luck with your new car. Adding some 1LE wheels and tires will improve handling. __________________ Walk softly, carry a light saber and drive a ZL1!

12-18-2016, 06:20 PM	#14
JeffMorse Drives: 2012 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 211	I never even considered the silver before.. dang that looks sharp. Congrats on the new ride!

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