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Old 12-03-2023, 09:16 AM   #43
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I don't mean to bring back an older thread, but while trying to determine what expansion tank I want to go with I had a thought: I'm wondering if anyone has ever combined both the Synergy Fender tank (Or any Fender tank) with a capped reservoir (Like the ADM). I like the capacity of the Synergy, and the ease of use when it comes to bleeding of the ADM style reservoir. Would it be possible to combine the 2 for a little added capacity and bleeding simplicity? Just a thought..
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Old 12-03-2023, 10:08 AM   #44
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I don't mean to bring back an older thread, but while trying to determine what expansion tank I want to go with I had a thought: I'm wondering if anyone has ever combined both the Synergy Fender tank (Or any Fender tank) with a capped reservoir (Like the ADM). I like the capacity of the Synergy, and the ease of use when it comes to bleeding of the ADM style reservoir. Would it be possible to combine the 2 for a little added capacity and bleeding simplicity? Just a thought..
That’s not a bad idea having the best of both worlds. I can’t see why it can’t be daisychained
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Old 12-03-2023, 02:45 PM   #45
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I don't mean to bring back an older thread, but while trying to determine what expansion tank I want to go with I had a thought: I'm wondering if anyone has ever combined both the Synergy Fender tank (Or any Fender tank) with a capped reservoir (Like the ADM). I like the capacity of the Synergy, and the ease of use when it comes to bleeding of the ADM style reservoir. Would it be possible to combine the 2 for a little added capacity and bleeding simplicity? Just a thought..

I think that is a great idea... and could be easily done.
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Old 12-03-2023, 02:50 PM   #46
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I think that is a great idea... and could be easily done.
I may give it a shot.
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Old 12-05-2023, 05:06 PM   #47
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I don't mean to bring back an older thread, but while trying to determine what expansion tank I want to go with I had a thought: I'm wondering if anyone has ever combined both the Synergy Fender tank (Or any Fender tank) with a capped reservoir (Like the ADM). I like the capacity of the Synergy, and the ease of use when it comes to bleeding of the ADM style reservoir. Would it be possible to combine the 2 for a little added capacity and bleeding simplicity? Just a thought..
I did something very similar. I have the WPX boost chiller, and it comes with a 2 gallon bumper tank. The tank doesn't have a fill location, so you are still required to fill the system with the OEM port. Also, I found out on road course track that the bumper tank sloshed all of the coolant to one side of the tank and starved the IC pump on high G left corners. As soon as the pump gets air in it, it shuts off and boils the coolant.

I added the Cordes expansion tank, and it fixed both issues. The Cordes tank holds almost another gallon, the bottom line feeds the pump directly (no starving the pump), and it has a fill cap. It is super easy to fill and bleed the system now.

I decided to go Cordes over ADM because the ADM is plastic and sits directly above the headers. With the Cordes being aluminum, I was able to insulate it with 1/4" foam to keep it cooler.
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Old 12-05-2023, 06:16 PM   #48
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I'm running the 2 gallon fender tank with magnuson capped tank. Just consider suction/pressure side of the pump and how it will fill the system.

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=610199
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Old 12-05-2023, 08:54 PM   #49
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Cool I made my own...

After looking at a lot of alternatives... I decided to make my own expansion tank, but wanted to make sure the cap was pressure regulated to allow for thermal expansion. None of the systems currently available to my knowledge have a pressure cap, just an o-ring/gasket sealed cap.

I do plan to expand my heat exchanger cooling system as soon a ONE MORE OF YOU GET ON THE SOCAL.M6.ZLE LIST!!! What'cha' waiting for?!??

SO... in light of needing the expansion of fluid in the near future, I spent hours scouring the internet for different models of tanks. I wanted it to be clear, so when at the track... I could see the fluid moving. I also did not want aluminum mounted to the radiator fan or in front of the radiator support, as I knew it would just be more weight ahead of the front wheels. Having the expansion tank HIGHER than the bricks means all the bubbles rise to the tank and never are ingested by the pump. The tank I used is from the 2003/04 Ford SVT Cobra Mustang... nice to have found a part developed specifically for the intercooling expansion rates. Below is a video explaining my thought process and the madnehs of making the bracket. ENJOY!!

Oh yeah... I also removed the heat shield pan from under the hood and that alone did more to drop the MATs than expanding the cooling system.

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Old 12-06-2023, 07:41 AM   #50
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Any one know the routing of the lines if running the adm reservoir and dms 2 gallon fender tank? What line from the dms tank goes to the reservoir and what line from the reservoir goes to the sc?
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Old 12-06-2023, 01:17 PM   #51
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I did something very similar. I have the WPX boost chiller, and it comes with a 2 gallon bumper tank. The tank doesn't have a fill location, so you are still required to fill the system with the OEM port. Also, I found out on road course track that the bumper tank sloshed all of the coolant to one side of the tank and starved the IC pump on high G left corners. As soon as the pump gets air in it, it shuts off and boils the coolant.

I added the Cordes expansion tank, and it fixed both issues. The Cordes tank holds almost another gallon, the bottom line feeds the pump directly (no starving the pump), and it has a fill cap. It is super easy to fill and bleed the system now.

I decided to go Cordes over ADM because the ADM is plastic and sits directly above the headers. With the Cordes being aluminum, I was able to insulate it with 1/4" foam to keep it cooler.
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Old 12-06-2023, 01:19 PM   #52
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After looking at a lot of alternatives... I decided to make my own expansion tank, but wanted to make sure the cap was pressure regulated to allow for thermal expansion. None of the systems currently available to my knowledge have a pressure cap, just an o-ring/gasket sealed cap.

I do plan to expand my heat exchanger cooling system as soon a ONE MORE OF YOU GET ON THE SOCAL.M6.ZLE LIST!!! What'cha' waiting for?!??

SO... in light of needing the expansion of fluid in the near future, I spent hours scouring the internet for different models of tanks. I wanted it to be clear, so when at the track... I could see the fluid moving. I also did not want aluminum mounted to the radiator fan or in front of the radiator support, as I knew it would just be more weight ahead of the front wheels. Having the expansion tank HIGHER than the bricks means all the bubbles rise to the tank and never are ingested by the pump. The tank I used is from the 2003/04 Ford SVT Cobra Mustang... nice to have found a part developed specifically for the intercooling expansion rates. Below is a video explaining my thought process and the madnehs of making the bracket. ENJOY!!

Oh yeah... I also removed the heat shield pan from under the hood and that alone did more to drop the MATs than expanding the cooling system.

WOW!!! Awesome idea using the Cobra tank. How have those hood brackets held up, and how much have they helped with temps on the track?
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Old 12-06-2023, 06:52 PM   #53
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I’m going with the bleed often properly process, there’s no way i am paying $500 Canadian plus shipping for $40 worth of aluminum, if I do decide it’s needed I will build it myself for $40 plus zero dollars labour
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Old 12-06-2023, 06:57 PM   #54
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After looking at a lot of alternatives... I decided to make my own expansion tank, but wanted to make sure the cap was pressure regulated to allow for thermal expansion. None of the systems currently available to my knowledge have a pressure cap, just an o-ring/gasket sealed cap.

I do plan to expand my heat exchanger cooling system as soon a ONE MORE OF YOU GET ON THE SOCAL.M6.ZLE LIST!!! What'cha' waiting for?!??

SO... in light of needing the expansion of fluid in the near future, I spent hours scouring the internet for different models of tanks. I wanted it to be clear, so when at the track... I could see the fluid moving. I also did not want aluminum mounted to the radiator fan or in front of the radiator support, as I knew it would just be more weight ahead of the front wheels. Having the expansion tank HIGHER than the bricks means all the bubbles rise to the tank and never are ingested by the pump. The tank I used is from the 2003/04 Ford SVT Cobra Mustang... nice to have found a part developed specifically for the intercooling expansion rates. Below is a video explaining my thought process and the madnehs of making the bracket. ENJOY!!

Oh yeah... I also removed the heat shield pan from under the hood and that alone did more to drop the MATs than expanding the cooling system.

That’s exactly what I would do if I didn’t have my catch can in that location, great installation video
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Old 01-10-2024, 03:22 AM   #55
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There was a thread on expansion tanks that I saw a few months ago. And somebody had discovered that the OEM Chevy Cruze, or something like that, the tank was either the same or close to the same as the ADM expansion tank. Does anybody remember this. or have the thread on this?
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Old 01-10-2024, 12:37 PM   #56
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After looking at a lot of alternatives... I decided to make my own expansion tank, but wanted to make sure the cap was pressure regulated to allow for thermal expansion. None of the systems currently available to my knowledge have a pressure cap, just an o-ring/gasket sealed cap.

I do plan to expand my heat exchanger cooling system as soon a ONE MORE OF YOU GET ON THE SOCAL.M6.ZLE LIST!!! What'cha' waiting for?!??

SO... in light of needing the expansion of fluid in the near future, I spent hours scouring the internet for different models of tanks. I wanted it to be clear, so when at the track... I could see the fluid moving. I also did not want aluminum mounted to the radiator fan or in front of the radiator support, as I knew it would just be more weight ahead of the front wheels. Having the expansion tank HIGHER than the bricks means all the bubbles rise to the tank and never are ingested by the pump. The tank I used is from the 2003/04 Ford SVT Cobra Mustang... nice to have found a part developed specifically for the intercooling expansion rates. Below is a video explaining my thought process and the madnehs of making the bracket. ENJOY!!

Oh yeah... I also removed the heat shield pan from under the hood and that alone did more to drop the MATs than expanding the cooling system.


Great video David.... I am going to consider a similar change to my hood cover! I also agree... I need one more person, and some contact info so i can make my first production run of custom crash bars
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