[curtislowerussell]

[Sub]

Yah I've been looking for a manual gray zl1 in the northeast with a sunroof. Its not going well. Most are autos. WTF this is a sports car! Its a troubling trend.

[Walkure]

Originally Posted by Sub

Yah I've been looking for a manual gray zl1 in the northeast with a sunroof. Its not going well. Most are autos. WTF this is a sports car! Its a troubling trend.

Try Autotrader.com. I found this fairly quick:

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...modelCode1=CAM

Nightfall Gray, ZL1, manual, sunroof, located in Vermont.

[nancygrl]

Originally Posted by Walkure

Try Autotrader.com. I found this fairly quick:

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...modelCode1=CAM

Nightfall Gray, ZL1, manual, sunroof, located in Vermont.

What's funny is that if you go to the dealer's website it says automatic, but going thru the pictures clearly show the manual shifter and the rev matching paddles.....

[Walkure]

I learned to ignore the dealer descriptions. I've seen a lot of errors regarding auto vs manual.
A local dealer is advertising a ZL1 with an 8 speed auto. Strange stuff.
You have to dig a little deeper and look at pics etc..

[Sub]

Originally Posted by nancygrl

What's funny is that if you go to the dealer's website it says automatic, but going thru the pictures clearly show the manual shifter and the rev matching paddles.....

Ya, Whenever I see this (often) I think to myself.. lazy salesperson!

Thanks very much for the link, I am inquiring.

[TDS]

Originally Posted by Sub

Yah I've been looking for a manual gray zl1 in the northeast with a sunroof. Its not going well. Most are autos. WTF this is a sports car! Its a troubling trend.

I said the same thing about manuals but drive the A10 before you knock it. I went from the 6speed in my C6 Vette to my ZL1 A10, would not even consider pushing a clutch again unless it is a 67' with a 4 speed.

[Sub]

I did drive it... mid corner, hit gas for quick exit, it thinks about it, then shifts..upsets the car slightly... no thanks.

[ZED SLED]

Originally Posted by gblaue

That's easy for you to say. To us up in the Northeast, they really are limited. Our dealers don't sell a lot of corvettes and Camaros. Our driving season is only 4-5 months. No dealers in the Northeast got an allocation for a car until around March. Well, except for mine, I kinda had some strings pulled. Mine was delivered in December.

Yeah, my dealer couldn't even get an allocation for an '18. I started looking around again for a '17 (Which I wanted anyway), and ended up driving 4 hours to Springfield, MA to get the one I wanted. Got it for $3k off sticker plus another $3k from GM private offer. Mine was built in April.

[Android42019]

Because there are ordering constraints doesn't mean there was a set number of vehicles available, again as an example, the 5th Gen ZL1, that's what I'm saying, I do realize people who went early on that didn't realize the constraints were disappointed but those who waited and waited and waited like a hawk for ANY info knew the deal from the get go. It's unfortunate certain states don't get to order Hi-Po models....

[JustinOpinion]

An important element of this that everyone seems to be overlooking is the CART regulations. Every auto manufacturer must meet certain emissions numbers for their FLEET. The FLEET consists of: every car made for that model year. The more high performance, or otherwise high-emitting vehicles they produce that don't meet certain MPG figures is detrimental to the fleet aggregate. The fines and penalties are in the stratosphere for non-compliance, so no manufacturer risks it. This directly impacts their production of these models, and effectively makes them limited models by default. However, as the MY moves on and they know how many cars/trucks have been sold/made the numbers become less speculative and more real. They may then know that there is room in the numbers to produce some additional low MPG (and more profitable) units - which is why we see the sudden glut of available units at the end of the model year. But if overall sales slump or the high MPG models aren't selling, we won't see those "bonus" units produced.

I don't pretend to be an expert on this subject, and this is my layman's understanding of it. But I know these conditions do affect production numbers very much.

[flyinlow]

Originally Posted by JustinOpinion

An important element of this that everyone seems to be overlooking is the CART regulations. Every auto manufacturer must meet certain emissions numbers for their FLEET. The FLEET consists of: every car made for that model year. The more high performance, or otherwise high-emitting vehicles they produce that don't meet certain MPG figures is detrimental to the fleet aggregate. The fines and penalties are in the stratosphere for non-compliance, so no manufacturer risks it. This directly impacts their production of these models, and effectively makes them limited models by default. However, as the MY moves on and they know how many cars/trucks have been sold/made the numbers become less speculative and more real. They may then know that there is room in the numbers to produce some additional low MPG (and more profitable) units - which is why we see the sudden glut of available units at the end of the model year. But if overall sales slump or the high MPG models aren't selling, we won't see those "bonus" units produced.

I don't pretend to be an expert on this subject, and this is my layman's understanding of it. But I know these conditions do affect production numbers very much.

Did you mean CAFE or CARB? CARB is the California Air Resources Board, CAFE is the Corporate Average Fuel Economy, which is regulated by the NHTSA and governs the gas guzzler tax you pay, as well as manage the regulations and formulas used by manufacturers to meet the fuel mileage regulations.

[JustinOpinion]

Originally Posted by flyinlow

Did you mean CAFE or CARB? CARB is the California Air Resources Board, CAFE is the Corporate Average Fuel Economy, which is regulated by the NHTSA and governs the gas guzzler tax you pay, as well as manage the regulations and formulas used by manufacturers to meet the fuel mileage regulations.

CAFE - thanks for the correction.

[SkunkJunk420]