[SoCalThug]

Yes we all no that a tune will get you the best gains. But how is this guy gapping a gt without a tune. I woulda thought even with a tune the gt would win. Im guessing u guys r assuming his buddy is in the gt and letting him win?

[Johnny2343]

Originally Posted by SoCalThug

Yes we all no that a tune will get you the best gains. But how is this guy gapping a gt without a tune. I woulda thought even with a tune the gt would win. Im guessing u guys r assuming his buddy is in the gt and letting him win?

Pretty sure the 5.0 is letting off , you never hear the 5.0 in upper revs

[Corner carver]

Mustang is obviously sandbagging

[2.0t_godfather]

Originally Posted by SoCalThug

Crazy ur running the car without a tune with these results when the guy with the fastest 2.0 said without a tune you wont gain anything because the tcm wont let you. Maybe he can chime in on this? Doubt stock 2.0 will pull on a gt.

Proof is coming on this matter. Steve @ ZZP will be handling it. What I said was 100% correct.

[2.0t_godfather]

Originally Posted by Evil-Bee-NH

Lawl the guy that said no gains with bolt-ons and no tune was blowing smoke remember he didn't even drive his car for that pass... There's plenty of gains without a tune bjt you should tune if you decide on catless dp for safety reasons the same way you'd get a tune if you did longtube headers on a V8.

I had the car low 12's like 12.10s. Which is still faster than anyone else. Steve weighs 90lbs less then me. Do the math, the times match. old rule of thumb is 100lbs = 1/10th off et. I'm glad that bothers you so, cause I could care less.

[Evil-Bee-NH]

Go back into hibernation for the sake of us all fraudfather nobody here is buying your shit anymore.

[2.0t_godfather]

Originally Posted by Evil-Bee-NH

Go back into hibernation for the sake of us all fraudfather nobody here is buying your shit anymore.

I'm still waiting when you are gonna post a fast time slip. Sorry, I have businesses to run, I can't hang out on forums all the time. Curious what commentary will be when I post a 10 second pass. It's coming soon. I really don't care what you are buying. I will continue to have the fastest 2.0 car. I will continue to share what I have learned. If others want to listen and make their stuff fast, that's on them. I've shared the exact formula to achieve what I have done. I'll even share what is exactly done when I go 10's so others can replicate.

[Evil-Bee-NH]

Originally Posted by 2.0t_godfather

I'm still waiting when you are gonna post a fast time slip. Sorry, I have businesses to run, I can't hang out on forums all the time. Curious what commentary will be when I post a 10 second pass. It's coming soon. I really don't care what you are buying. I will continue to have the fastest 2.0 car. I will continue to share what I have learned. If others want to listen and make their stuff fast, that's on them. I've shared the exact formula to achieve what I have done. I'll even share what is exactly done when I go 10's so others can replicate.

Why don't you post your own timeslip? Oh wait you took down zzsteves...

P.s. when you post a 10s I'll say awesome if we see steve drove the car for it well same old song and dance if you decide to gloat about his work.

[Evil-Bee-NH]

Originally Posted by cooper1965

What the hell is wrong inside your head man? You still don't get it..
Your only hurting yourself, this forum's contributions, and the advancement of this platform. Your BIG mouth, blasting non-sense every single day, is not helping this community. It will continue to drive people away, or prevent them from posting in the first place. GOOD JOB.. Have you ever even made a single technical related post?? You still aren't grasping the SIMPLE concept of stock tune parameter limitations, yet you want to keep flapping those gums, instead of listening, and learning. You need ALL the help people are willing to provide.

p.s. This is the nice, heavily edited version of what I really should say.

Got no beef with you anymore cooper you don't need this arguement anymore then i do.

[Zzsteve]

Originally Posted by Evil-Bee-NH

Why don't you post your own timeslip? Oh wait you took down zzsteves...

P.s. when you post a 10s I'll say awesome if we see steve drove the car for it well same old song and dance if you decide to gloat about his work.

he actually pulled a better 60' than i did, so he technically "drove it better" than i did, im just scrawny, so i get the weight advantage win. he made 2 passes, Matt made 2 passes, and i made 1. we figured out the weight difference with all 3 of us, and Matt (our most experienced driver, the guy with the 8 second FWD grand prix here) guessed what my time would be within .01x based on the weight difference alone. i really think you need to take a step back, and look at facts here. whether you like the guy or not, i think you are taking it a bit too far.

2 people with near identical driving ability will have a difference in ET every single time if there is a significant weight advantage. our goal was to run 11's that day with allen driving. it wasnt quite there, so we put my skinny ass in the drivers seat, and it did it. goal achieved. its a team effort, and we were successful. we were the first in the 11's with a 2.0 camaro, which was the goal here.

[Evil-Bee-NH]

I'm still waiting for you to back his words up on you won't gain anything with full bolt-ons and no tune.

[Zzsteve]

as with just about every modern vehicle in the past few years, everything is airload based.

without manipulating the MAF signal in order to trick the computer into thinking it isnt making any power, (make it think it isnt flowing as much air as it is) you will gain near zero with the stock tune, and bolt on stuff. the computer has torque targets, and airload targets and once met, it will literally close the throttle, or open the wastegate slightly to maintain the desired power level.

in our experience, on our dyno, while swapping parts, and making back to back pulls, there is low single digit HP to be had from intake/exhaust etc with a stock tune (assuming the intake doesnt mess with the MAF flow too much, but if it does, it trips a code anyways)

these cars, and most modern cars, are designed to reach a desired power level at any given circumstance. doesnt matter if you are in new orleans, and below sea level, or in denver, and 5000' elevation. the computer has a desired airflow that once met, it stops you from surpassing......until you shut all that crap off, there is not going to be any huge gains. splitting hairs, yea, you 'might' make a couple more HP, but were literally talking single digits here.

[ChicagoTommy]

Originally Posted by 2.0t_godfather

I'm still waiting when you are gonna post a fast time slip. Sorry, I have businesses to run, I can't hang out on forums all the time. Curious what commentary will be when I post a 10 second pass. It's coming soon. I really don't care what you are buying. I will continue to have the fastest 2.0 car. I will continue to share what I have learned. If others want to listen and make their stuff fast, that's on them. I've shared the exact formula to achieve what I have done. I'll even share what is exactly done when I go 10's so others can replicate.

Dude, keep doin you. You have an awesome car, and it doesn't matter in the least who drove it to a faster ET. I'm not above putting a flyweight jockey in my car if it means a full tenth faster. Can't wait to see your car run 10's. Shoot me a PM before you take it to the track next time, and I'll try to come out.

Originally Posted by cooper1965

What the hell is wrong inside your head man? You still don't get it..
Your only hurting yourself, this forum's contributions, and the advancement of this platform. Your BIG mouth, blasting non-sense every single day, is not helping this community. It will continue to drive people away, or prevent them from posting in the first place. GOOD JOB.. Have you ever even made a single technical related post?? You still aren't grasping the SIMPLE concept of stock tune parameter limitations, yet you want to keep flapping those gums, instead of listening, and learning. You need ALL the help people are willing to provide.

p.s. This is the nice, heavily edited version of what I really should say.

We've all been asking that question for nearly 2 years now. I don't get it either. If he's trolling, he's bad at it. If he's sincere, then God help everyone. I agree with your statement and fully support your sentiment. This is supposed to be fun, supposed to be chill. I've tried helping him, I've tried mediating with him, nothing gets through. And the really shitty part is we're the ones that will end up banned.

Originally Posted by Zzsteve

he actually pulled a better 60' than i did, so he technically "drove it better" than i did, im just scrawny, so i get the weight advantage win. he made 2 passes, Matt made 2 passes, and i made 1. we figured out the weight difference with all 3 of us, and Matt (our most experienced driver, the guy with the 8 second FWD grand prix here) guessed what my time would be within .01x based on the weight difference alone. i really think you need to take a step back, and look at facts here. whether you like the guy or not, i think you are taking it a bit too far.

2 people with near identical driving ability will have a difference in ET every single time if there is a significant weight advantage. our goal was to run 11's that day with allen driving. it wasnt quite there, so we put my skinny ass in the drivers seat, and it did it. goal achieved. its a team effort, and we were successful. we were the first in the 11's with a 2.0 camaro, which was the goal here.

Don't give in to his pedantic bullshit. He definitely doesn't deserve the waste of bits of bandwidth. It's just a constant time suck with no hope of progress. Onward and upward! We all just need to move on.

[ChicagoTommy]

Originally Posted by Zzsteve

as with just about every modern vehicle in the past few years, everything is airload based.

without manipulating the MAF signal in order to trick the computer into thinking it isnt making any power, (make it think it isnt flowing as much air as it is) you will gain near zero with the stock tune, and bolt on stuff. the computer has torque targets, and airload targets and once met, it will literally close the throttle, or open the wastegate slightly to maintain the desired power level.

in our experience, on our dyno, while swapping parts, and making back to back pulls, there is low single digit HP to be had from intake/exhaust etc with a stock tune (assuming the intake doesnt mess with the MAF flow too much, but if it does, it trips a code anyways)

these cars, and most modern cars, are designed to reach a desired power level at any given circumstance. doesnt matter if you are in new orleans, and below sea level, or in denver, and 5000' elevation. the computer has a desired airflow that once met, it stops you from surpassing......until you shut all that crap off, there is not going to be any huge gains. splitting hairs, yea, you 'might' make a couple more HP, but were literally talking single digits here.

Sigh... I know you're technically correct, which is the best kind of correct, but he's just going to say that you proved his point that bolt-on's DO make power without a tune, regardless of how much. Like I said, pedantry at it's worst.