[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by hotlap

If they could claim 3.9, there is no way they are saying less than 4.0. I'm applying basic rounding standard and reading between the lines of what was said.

I didn't mean to get snippy with you. I originally thought I was replying to Fanboy and then changed a "you" to a "him" when I realized my error.

They are claiming a sub 4 second 0-60 time. What is the next measurement down from 4 seconds using one significant figure (the standard measurement for 0-60)?

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Trying to bring it down to your level since you missed completely what 13vertss/r's was saying. Avoiding reading. Good grief.

Yeah, I was a bit harsh...I apologize.

[Mr. Meh]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

Hold the salt, I'll take Anthrax instead. Go heavy.

Originally Posted by Michigan1LTRS

Yeah, fill me up.

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

Where's that Anthrax coated popcorn I asked for?

There are people arguing over hundredths of a second in here... is this real life?

Sorry, my bad. I had an aneurysm on the way and just came to.

Jeebus, this is still going?

[ninetres]

I love how we are all arguing over hundredths of a second which is like a cunt hair at 60mph

[BlaqWhole]

I'll say it again, I don't think it'll do a low 12 mainly because it'll snub the GT350R owners. I mean, these guys are paying $80,000 and up for a Shelby and now a sub-$30,000 base GT with an auto is gonna keep up with them in the quarter mile and beat them in the 0-60? So basically, get a GT, leave the engine and trans alone, build up the suspension, and you'll beat a Shelby on the track and strip while maintaining your warranty, lol!! That will be hilarious. Z06 owners were mad about the performance of the ZL1 and the ZL1 is still a car that costs over $60,000. And at least the Z06 still outperforms the Z06. But now if the GT runs these times and beats the Shelby after people paid crazy markups AND if only a few thousand dollars in mods brings it up to or surpasses Shelby performance, then I can see a lot of pissed off Shelby owners out there, lol!! It ain't gonna touch the ZL1 tho. But hey, at least the Shelby "sounds better" and is "special", lol!!

[BlaqWhole]

I think Ford is gonna do something to rein in the performance just to keep the Shelby undisputed. Because I would be pissed if I bought a brand new GT350R and it gets beaten by a base GT. Man am I glad I didn't buy one of those things, lol!! I think it'll be high in the mid 12s...like a 12.6 or something. Maybe even just a 12.7.

[ChefBorOzzy]

You guys are arguing over fractions of a tenth of a second.. Or a tenth of a second. Lol.

GM claims 2.95 0-60 for Vette I'm pretty sure, but I don't think Ford will do that.

[72MachOne99GT]

In a straight line, absolutely. I imagine an auto only car will probably be right on the heels of a GT350.

And a PP car with magnaride will probably be on the heels of a non-R.

Both for much less money.

I doubt Ford is too concerned with the feelings of Shelby owners. The GT350s will sell for many reasons, regardless of whether or not you and others think they're logical reasons.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

In a straight line, absolutely. I imagine an auto only car will probably be right on the heels of a GT350.

And a PP car with magnaride will probably be on the heels of a non-R.

Both for much less money.

I doubt Ford is too concerned with the feelings of Shelby owners. The GT350s will sell for many reasons, regardless of whether or not you and others think they're logical reasons.

The Shelby was never marketed as a straight line performance car. It was marketed as a track car. (And owners are already pissed at the non-track pack version). If Ford's numbers are accurate (I'm sure they are) then perhaps it will be close to the Shelby. If they give the PP2 the Shelby suspension then I expect it will cost around 46-50k. Not that far off from the Shelby MSRP.

[72MachOne99GT]

Could have sworn the GT350 was their staight line car....

You just reiterated everything I said I think.
PP cars with MR should still come in several thousands less than a non-R.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

In a straight line, absolutely. I imagine an auto only car will probably be right on the heels of a GT350.

And a PP car with magnaride will probably be on the heels of a non-R.

Both for much less money.

I doubt Ford is too concerned with the feelings of Shelby owners. The GT350s will sell for many reasons, regardless of whether or not you and others think they're logical reasons.

Maybe YOU aren't concerned with how Shelby owners feel, but I am more than sure that Ford is. You don't just snub people who are paying ADMs of $5,000-over $20,000 (in some cases) on top of a car that MSRPs at $65,000 over a sub-$30,000 car. That would be the dumbest move in automotive history. And it would make the Shelby look like even more of a POS when it gets matched by a car with way less hp than it has...like the SS already did. Plus the Shelby will still be sold so what would even be the point of buying one? The SS is nowhere near the ZL1 and the SRT8 is not even close to the Hellcat...yet the GT will bang out with the Shelby after people paid a shit load of money? Come on.

[72MachOne99GT]

I don't expect the GT to perform with or match the Shelby without the more expensive PP or Track Pack options. Definitely elevating the price well above "sub-30k" range.

Unless you're looking purely in a straight line (auto equipped GTs probably won't be under 30k, be it 29,000 or 29,999.99)

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

I don't expect the GT to perform with or match the Shelby without the more expensive PP or Track Pack options. Definitely elevating the price well above "sub-30k" range.

Unless you're looking purely in a straight line (auto equipped GTs probably won't be under 30k, be it 29,000 or 29,999.99)

Their press release said "Performance Pack with 10 speed auto and MPSS tires." So I expect the PP and A10 to be around 8k in options.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

I don't expect the GT to perform with or match the Shelby without the more expensive PP or Track Pack options. Definitely elevating the price well above "sub-30k" range.

Unless you're looking purely in a straight line (auto equipped GTs probably won't be under 30k, be it 29,000 or 29,999.99)

A base GT with the A10 with suspension mods will hang with the Shelby around a track IF it performs the way they are saying it will. We have already seen the 1SS 1LE match the GT350R's time. And it matches the Shelby's straight line performance as well. I don't think the PP is much since even the V6 1LE Camaro is considered to be equal to or better than the current GT PP around a track. But basically you'd be just a few thousand dollars in suspension mods away from beating a Shelby around a track and if it is a low 12 it'll hang at the strip. So why would anyone even buy a Shelby at this point? Which is why I said I think Ford will do something to keep the Shelby as top dog. The 18 GT is gonna be a 12.6 or slower if you ask me. And it'll have small improvements around a track but nothing drastic.