[laynlo15]

[QUOTE=Evansa22;11090745]Q

Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

I think the majority think by the time you spend the money to reach the power level say 800 rwhp you would of spent just as much as buying the 2650 . Also the convince of using 93 vs messing around w a meth is nice.

Blower porting $1300 to 1500
Heat exchanger $400 to 1000
Grip tech 2.10 or 2.30 $200
Extra capacity tank 700 to 1600 or chiller setup $1400+
Meth kit $1000+
Lower pulley ATI or I.W. $600+
Dsx flex kit $300

VS

Maggi $7000
$-1800 sale of blower

Pretty simple


Unless your using meth i don't believe its possible to get to 800rwhp with either blower. High side falls off and you will either need meth, cam, or port injection to get there from my experience. Don't think you get much passed 700 rwhp with stock high side. If you have another way I'd be interested to hear

You can with C16 race fuel as I did with my old Camaro before I and after sold it. Made 847 and low side at the end of the pull was in the upper 40s and same at the track with the new owner since I logged for him at the track. No issue what so ever with injector pulse for high side supply.

[EDFHOBBIES]

[QUOTE=Evansa22;11090745]Q

Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

I think the majority think by the time you spend the money to reach the power level say 800 rwhp you would of spent just as much as buying the 2650 . Also the convince of using 93 vs messing around w a meth is nice.

Blower porting $1300 to 1500
Heat exchanger $400 to 1000
Grip tech 2.10 or 2.30 $200
Extra capacity tank 700 to 1600 or chiller setup $1400+
Meth kit $1000+
Lower pulley ATI or I.W. $600+
Dsx flex kit $300

VS

Maggi $7000
$-1800 sale of blower

Pretty simple


Unless your using meth i don't believe its possible to get to 800rwhp with either blower. High side falls off and you will either need meth, cam, or port injection to get there from my experience. Don't think you get much passed 700 rwhp with stock high side. If you have another way I'd be interested to hear

I was considering all to be equally setup. cam, TB, low side even ported Heads all those upgrades cost the same w either blower and are needed to make 800 rwhp Not saying one will do it and one will not with out these mods.

The 2650 however will do it on 93 the oem blower needs meth maybe even 50% E.

[Evansa22]

[QUOTE=laynlo15;11090766]

Originally Posted by Evansa22

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You can with C16 race fuel as I did with my old Camaro before I and after sold it. Made 847 and low side at the end of the pull was in the upper 40s and same at the track with the new owner since I logged for him at the track. No issue what so ever with injector pulse for high side supply.

Cool, not very familiar with other fuels like that. Didn't know the different fueling could take it that far. Good to know, thanks

[QUOTE=EDFHOBBIES;11090772]

Originally Posted by Evansa22

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I was considering all to be equally setup. cam, TB, low side even ported Heads all those upgrades cost the same w either blower and are needed to make 800 rwhp Not saying one will do it and one will not with out these mods.

The 2650 however will do it on 93 the oem blower needs meth maybe even 50% E.

10-4, been watching csp videos and with the interchiller and pulley along with all the other mods they're making 800 rwhp back to back to back runs. Ported blower, don't think they're spraying meth,can't remember if that's with ethanol tho. 2650 is great and I've been contemplating swapping, but still looking at the cost to benefit and you've put it in perspective. I think the interchiller is necessary with the stock blower for consistency, which is an added cost that you wouldn't have to have with the 2650. Would help the magnuson too but not required

[KingLT1]

C16 is 20.00 a gallon right now. Not even remotely close to practical for street driving. I don't even consider it a viable option for a Street Car. But yes race fuels will extend your fuel system out another 100hp because you can run leaner AFR's.

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

The stock blower has been shown to make over 900whp when ported in extreme builds, I won't argue the 2650R is a better way to get there but there's a C7 Z06 running 8.6 on the stock ported blower and there's a ZL1 running 8.9 on the stock ported blower so clearly they're capable of much more than you're giving them credit for.

Keep in mind those builds are running E and Meth for cooling. That will never happen on 93 because MAT will likely be over 200 at the end of the pull spinning that hard. 2650 will make 900 on pump with sane MAT's. If you are going to compare supercharger capability then you really need to compare them on the same fuel...93 vs 93 for example. Meth and E85 is cheat codes comparing to a 2650 on 93.

[EDFHOBBIES]

[QUOTE=Evansa22;11090780][QUOTE=laynlo15;11090766]

Cool, not very familiar with other fuels like that. Didn't know the different fueling could take it that far. Good to know, thanks

Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

10-4, been watching csp videos and with the interchiller and pulley along with all the other mods they're making 800 rwhp back to back to back runs. Ported blower, don't think they're spraying meth,can't remember if that's with ethanol tho. 2650 is great and I've been contemplating swapping, but still looking at the cost to benefit and you've put it in perspective. I think the interchiller is necessary with the stock blower for consistency, which is an added cost that you wouldn't have to have with the 2650. Would help the magnuson too but not required

I have a the chiller from csp for sale 1000 I don't need it with my 2650.

[EDFHOBBIES]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

C16 is 20.00 a gallon right now. Not even remotely close to practical for street driving. I don't even consider it a viable option for a Street Car. But yes race fuels will extend your fuel system out another 100hp because you can run leaner AFR's.



Keep in mind those builds are running E and Meth for cooling. That will never happen on 93 because MAT will likely be over 200 at the end of the pull spinning that hard. 2650 will make 900 on pump with sane MAT's. If you are going to compare supercharger capability then you really need to compare them on the same fuel...93 vs 93 for example. Meth and E85 is cheat codes comparing to a 2650 on 93.

I doubt you could make much past 700 rwhp on 93 with the oem blower and a cam unless you had Hella cooling mods but myself and others have proven 850 is possible on 93 with the 2650 on 93 with no cooling mods.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

C16 is 20.00 a gallon right now. Not even remotely close to practical for street driving. I don't even consider it a viable option for a Street Car. But yes race fuels will extend your fuel system out another 100hp because you can run leaner AFR's.



Keep in mind those builds are running E and Meth for cooling. That will never happen on 93 because MAT will likely be over 200 at the end of the pull spinning that hard. 2650 will make 900 on pump with sane MAT's. If you are going to compare supercharger capability then you really need to compare them on the same fuel...93 vs 93 for example. Meth and E85 is cheat codes comparing to a 2650 on 93.

I wasn't comparing them at all honestly, just saying that a ported OEM blower can flow enough air to support those power levels. I don't think anyone is questioning that the aftermarket options are far safer and easier to achieve those power levels.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

I think the majority think by the time you spend the money to reach the power level say 800 rwhp you would of spent just as much as buying the 2650 . Also the convince of using 93 vs messing around w a meth is nice.

Blower porting $1300 to 1500
Heat exchanger $400 to 1000
Grip tech 2.10 or 2.30 $200
Extra capacity tank 700 to 1600 or chiller setup $1400+
Meth kit $1000+
Lower pulley ATI or I.W. $600+
Dsx flex kit $300

VS

Maggi $7000
$-1800 sale of blower

Pretty simple

Not disagreeing with this at all. That's why I said a ported stock blower has its place, it certainly isn't for 800HP+ builds.

[KingLT1]

Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

I doubt you could make much past 700 rwhp on 93 with the oem blower and a cam unless you had Hella cooling mods but myself and others have proven 850 is possible on 93 with the 2650 on 93 with no cooling mods.

Sounds about right with no porting or cooling mods.

What I commonly see is folks showing a lot of bias based on the direction they went with their setup. I always try to remain open minded...everybody has the free will to chose the direction the want to go. I don't think either way is wrong if you are willing to do what it takes to make the setup work.

In 2021 it's pretty much all laid out. Shops errywhere posting on Social media and Youtubes exploiting what it takes for X setup to make Y power and run Z time. Some want to say they went 8's with stock Supercharger and are willing to invest the money to do it by running the added octane and supplemental cooling to get there. Others want simplicity and would rather make the power easier more efficiently with the larger supercharger.

Either way none of us are doing anything special here. It's not like the old days where you had to have some knowledge and mechanical inclination to make power and go fast. Now all you need is the Internet and Credit card. Most of us here are just a group of blow hards that have shop built cars... but we like to think we can compete with Austin Coil and John Force.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

Most of us here are just a group of blow hards that have shop built cars... but we like to think we can compete with Austin Coil and John Force.

One of the best posts ever, because it's so true. But... now let me tell everyone about the power I made ...

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

Sounds about right with no porting or cooling mods.

What I commonly see is folks showing a lot of bias based on the direction they went with their setup. I always try to remain open minded...everybody has the free will to chose the direction the want to go. I don't think either way is wrong if you are willing to do what it takes to make the setup work.

In 2021 it's pretty much all laid out. Shops errywhere posting on Social media and Youtubes exploiting what it takes for X setup to make Y power and run Z time. Some want to say they went 8's with stock Supercharger and are willing to invest the money to do it by running the added octane and supplemental cooling to get there. Others want simplicity and would rather make the power easier more efficiently with the larger supercharger.

Either way none of us are doing anything special here. It's not like the old days where you had to have some knowledge and mechanical inclination to make power and go fast. Now all you need is the Internet and Credit card. Most of us here are just a group of blow hards that have shop built cars... but we like to think we can compete with Austin Coil and John Force.

John is getting on up there in age. I think I can take him.

[L78toLT1]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

Sounds about right with no porting or cooling mods.

What I commonly see is folks showing a lot of bias based on the direction they went with their setup. I always try to remain open minded...everybody has the free will to chose the direction the want to go. I don't think either way is wrong if you are willing to do what it takes to make the setup work.

In 2021 it's pretty much all laid out. Shops errywhere posting on Social media and Youtubes exploiting what it takes for X setup to make Y power and run Z time. Some want to say they went 8's with stock Supercharger and are willing to invest the money to do it by running the added octane and supplemental cooling to get there. Others want simplicity and would rather make the power easier more efficiently with the larger supercharger.

Either way none of us are doing anything special here. It's not like the old days where you had to have some knowledge and mechanical inclination to make power and go fast. Now all you need is the Internet and Credit card. Most of us here are just a group of blow hards that have shop built cars... but we like to think we can compete with Austin Coil and John Force.

Great post King, absolutely spot on. The power these cars will make with nearly all possible combination of mods is well documented. Imho the tuner is far more important than the guy doing the wrenching. I would have to think that any competent shop, especially one of the many that specialize on this platform could bolt on a blower or install a cam as good as their competition.
I do all of the wrenching on my car, but am not nearly brave or skilled enough to attempt any tuning.

[CW3SF]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

Sounds about right with no porting or cooling mods.

What I commonly see is folks showing a lot of bias based on the direction they went with their setup. I always try to remain open minded...everybody has the free will to chose the direction the want to go. I don't think either way is wrong if you are willing to do what it takes to make the setup work. .

This right here exactly. That’s why I keep chiming in when the 2650 used car salesmen show up. I’m enjoying doing exactly what I’m doing with my car. I’ve done my research and I’m open to ideas but ultimately I’m going the way I want to go. And it’s meeting all of my expectations. If they want to argue about how they did it, I’m all in.

[MartinLe]

I have a question: I have heard Ted Jannetty talk repeatedly about porting and spinning the OEM blower to its limits. He says, yes, you can make the power, but at the expense of the powerband. I never hear any talk of putting the power to the ground. Is this not germane to the conversation? Isn't it all about smoothly putting the power to the ground - especially on the street? I know this question is off topic, but that turn was taken a while back. So, I don't mind asking it. I have my cam package and FIC +30's at home and am awaiting the 2650. I am going the JRE way and am counting on 800+whp and then I can join these conversations with a little experience. But, back to my original question: aren't these tightly wound OEM blowers hard (maybe a little impossible) to handle?