[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by bigd1276

Don't forget you must get the vaccine and wear a mask.

Umm, no. I don’t have to do either of those things.

[Chrome383Z]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

Not disputing anything...I am just saying turn off the news, social media, and go live life.

This is a very good post. I truly believe social media has made society in general worse. I don’t even get on it anymore.

[Chrome383Z]

Originally Posted by bigd1276

Don't forget you must get the vaccine and wear a mask.

Don’t get me started on masks, I spent 10-15 years in oil/water/process filtration… if anything masks caused more deaths because folks had a false sense of security.

[keep_hope_alive]

How about a back-to-topic question: If the cost to rent time for a self-driving EV was half of what you're paying for your vehicles now (gas, maintenance, loan, etc.)... who would sign up? You would have it available whenever you needed (not the same vehicle but a vehicle) and it basically operated like an Uber or Lyft.

Would it make a difference if you could keep your existing cars for personal use but use the EV ride for work and typical errands?

[90503]

It seems a very important component of the EV Transition has been overlooked or intentionally ignored. That is the amount of raw materials and precious metals needed to sustain this so-called transition.

From the esteemed World Economic Forum:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/...ical-minerals/

"Shifting from fossil fuels to renewables requires huge amounts of critical metals.
Recycling alone won't be enough to sustain the amount of materials needed
We need to increase sharing, reuse and a preference for longevity to reduce demand.
We need a clean energy revolution, and we need it now. But this transition from fossil fuels to renewables will need large supplies of critical metals such as cobalt, lithium, nickel, to name a few. Shortages of these critical minerals could raise the costs of clean energy technologies." ('Ya think?)

EVs will never be produced in numbers close to ICE, it will be impossible. There will be shortages of available vehicles and extremely high costs to produce or own one. Meanwhile, fossil fueled ICE vehicles will have been discontinued and unavailable. The policies and planning that will follow can only be Orwellian by necessity. (As the WEF contends).

The wrong side of history will have been to eliminate fossil fuels and ICE as a standard quality of life and the freedom it provided, and blindly or more likely intentionally, replacing it with an unsustainable system of rare earth material dependent transportation. Throwing away ICE, fossil fuels, and the quality of life and standards of living it has provided to millions will be shown by history to be the biggest unforced error and folly.

[BLACK21SS]

Originally Posted by keep_hope_alive

I used to mod a popular audio forum (SoundDomain) back in the mid 2000's. We ran a tight ship and it had no banter, no arguments, and also no incorrect information. The mods were technically capable of discerning correct answers (we allowed opinions when the thread called for opinions). The sections were tidy and answers were quick, accurate, and easy to find. It didn't have much traffic as a result. Turns out, even back then (and still today) what gets people coming back to a thread is banter. The forums that won out allowed banter and thus had more traffic.

Look at this thread and the EV Camaro threads, or any other emotionally charged thread and you'll see a ton of action compared to the other legit threads that most just pass by. Simply put, the site runs on ad revenue and thread clicks generate that. Controversial topics generate revenue.

Spot on. We’ll said.

[BLACK21SS]

Originally Posted by laynlo15

I rarely rant but sometimes its just too much to hear what people actually are willing to believe. It blows my mind how it's just a bitter war against each other in the name of politics, it just too much sometime. We all bleed, we all grieve, we all need, and we all die. Don't die over politics or war.

And you said, “to take it away from you or your Fu--ing guns.”

They’ve already have done it in multiple localities and have current legislation pending to do just that nationwide. Both parties are guilty. It’s their goal to eliminate fossil fuels, therefore making our Camaros obsolete.

Keeping your head in the sand, and just saying it’s not going to happen doesn’t makes it so, is a fool’s errand.

Freedom be scary, yo.

[BLACK21SS]

Originally Posted by laynlo15

Lol. You stir the crap up, then step back and let everyone else smell it. You remind me of my sister.

[95 imp]

Originally Posted by Junction65

History teaches us that the side that wants to be left alone is always crushed by the side that effectively wields power.

Policies designed and implemented to reduce and eventually stop the production and usage of ICE vehicles will be just another example.

I have to disagree.

The colonists put up with a lot of BS from the crown before all hell broke loose.
The British made the final mistake of going for the guns...

Anyway, you can go to the DOI for the passage that defines our current state of affairs:

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

The history books compress time and forget the little day-to-day stuff. I am sure minor incidents happened after the Stamp Act or The Boston Tea Party that time has forgot. We, on the other hand, are watching a replay first hand in slow motion.

And, that old adage of "The more it changes, the more it stays the same". Some Americans were for the crown, others just wanted to "go along to get along", and then the "traitorous rebels". Much like we see today.

I think I read it was am estimated 10% of Americans that pushed for independence.

[Aragorn]

Originally Posted by keep_hope_alive

Would it make a difference if you could keep your existing cars for personal use but use the EV ride for work and typical errands?

Wait a minute I thought this would be a situation like where Thanos just snaps his fingers with the infinity stones and makes all ice disappear?

[JamesNoBrakes]

I'll be over on Thursday to collect your Camaros with HIMARS.

[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

I'll be over on Thursday to collect your Camaros with HIMARS.

So funny! Unfortunately it's not going to be quite that obvious. The current approach to limiting citizen's ability to purchase things the government disapproves of is licensing and taxes. For a while the government was pushing financial institutions not to do businesses with companies in 'bad' industries like fossil fuels, guns, or ammunition. They've backed off on that due to some court decisions.

It's unfortunate that so many are willing to pooh pooh what's happening right in front of their faces. Even further, ridicule people who are discussing it.

We have a situation where the person in power openly stated he wanted to get rid of fossil fuels. It was a campaign promise. Subsequent to him taking power the cost of gas has doubled. A court has had to order the administration to resume quarterly drilling leases. A major car company has discontinued two major cars publicly stating that they would rather not. Yet we get snark about 'coming to take your cars'.

Dude, wake up. No gas means no driving. Gas at $20 or $30 a gallon means basically no driving. They don't have to come take your car to prevent you from driving it.

Right now the things that are being regulated out of existence don't matter much to many people, but trust me, eventually they will get to something you do care about. Meat, or the ability to set your thermostat yourself, or what you're allowed to watch. All those are already being talked about as potential 'bad things', and more.

[JamesNoBrakes]

I find living without paranoia to be much more pleasing.

[Gen6cyl]

Remember the movie They Live that had Roddy Piper in it? I think They are running our government now.