[Marty McFlew]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeROC

B/c stopping for HOURS to recharge is an ABSOLUTE DEAL BREAKER for people that travel for a living. If you stay within the battery's range for every commute or day of travel and charge up at night, it's not a problem. People who drive long distances for work will not add even more HOURS to their drive times. 10 minutes is about where they need to be for 100% recharge and similar range as a tank of gas. Personally, I'd like to see it drop down to 5 minutes. Or maybe put solar panels on the roof to extend range (if that adds a significant amount to the range).

Actually that's not how it will work. The idea is to stop and instead of charging there will be a 5min. replacement battery swap. So batteries will always be available with a full charge at charging stations.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by Marty McFlew

Actually that's not how it will work. The idea is to stop and instead of charging there will be a 5min. replacement battery swap. So batteries will always be available with a full charge at charging stations.

No thanks for exact the same reason I refill my propane tank instead of exchange.

[Mr. Meh]

There's also the idea of inductive roadways being floated.. Your car would re-charge along the way as it needed. But, no real plan on how to actually power them w/o killing people in accidents, paying for the re-paving of that much highway given our state of infrastructure currently and then any long terms effects of spending that much time inside that type of field.. Though, if they're doing it proper, then field is only active for a car, is extremely short range and since it's not ionizing, shouldn't cause any cellular or genetic damage.. But, I don't think anyone wants to be on record with it being 100% safe over the longhaul.

Though, those other issues seem to be more of a problem... I've seen locally powered solar listed as a source, instead of grid.

[Mr. Meh]

Well, LiON isn't the answer either and thankfully, there is work on other storage mediums that are more rugged, don't have the violent reaction to water that lithium does and can handle more electrical density than the current technology does. Though, this is a pervasive issue in mobile tech as well. We're being hampered by battery charge life and the output it can handle w/o overheating.

[marknagy13]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

You haven't seen videos of people in tesla's in ludicrous mode.

Way more adrenaline pumping than loud noise (though maybe not as much as loud noise + extreme acceleration....but then most would find that loud noise to be annoying and not something you want to hear often). While speed in itself doesn't push the adrenaline out necessarily, acceleration does. As the human brain associates loud noise as something old and outdated and negative, I think the connection to adrenaline will dissipate (unless it's unexpected and then the adrenaline is a fear response, rather than excitement). But if you're one of those people who need loud noise to have fun, i'm sure you'll be able to have awesome sound systems in electric cars and you can simulate loud noise all you want on demand. I'll be listening to metal turned up to 11 while driving a modern car that's faster, simpler to fix, and cheaper to maintain. Electric FTW.


Really what's the point of these threads? Everything is going to go electric that can go electric. It's far more flexible (fuel independence) and cheaper to maintain and offers the best performance in the range people use their cars for on public roads. You can't fight it and win. There's a grocery list of of benefits under electric and a grocery list of negatives under ICE that wont ever go away. Just accept it and adapt. You'll have more fun.

Lol this is not true. I believe McLaren actually did a recent study and hooked up brainwave sensors and people got much more enjoyment when there was a sound because even if you aren't going as fast, the brain perceives you to be going fast because of the loud noise, and that's all that matters.

Also this: http://www.caranddriver.com/news/a-r...women-car-news

I mean who wouldn't want to get more women

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Marty McFlew

Actually that's not how it will work. The idea is to stop and instead of charging there will be a 5min. replacement battery swap. So batteries will always be available with a full charge at charging stations.

Old idea that requires common batteries, connections and attachment schemes. Sounds easy but it isn't.

[metros11]

Originally Posted by Gunkk

Tell any one of us that evacauted Irma and spent 11+ hours in 100 degree heat in stop and go traffic to switch to electric only plug in....

And we will laugh in your face.

You cant put two Jerry cans full of electric in your Tesla's trunk.

You don't need to. Stop and go traffic is where the EVs excel. You're only using the energy if you're moving, and with every stop you're regenerating. This is why my Volt was such a great commuter. Stop and go you're doubling your range. Anything above 60 mph, and you're effectively wasting your battery.

[metros11]

As someone who drove a Volt for three years I will say this, I can't wait for EVs to really go mainstream and develop and charging network. However, you can all rest easy. The internal combustion engine is not dying in our lifetime, and your Camaro will live on with a V8, probably a very fuel efficient one.

[90503]

Originally Posted by metros11

You don't need to. Stop and go traffic is where the EVs excel. You're only using the energy if you're moving, and with every stop you're regenerating. This is why my Volt was such a great commuter. Stop and go you're doubling your range. Anything above 60 mph, and you're effectively wasting your battery.

...Alas, the true purpose of the electric vehicle...It's optimal performance is at a dead stop...lol

What good is a range if it depends on stop and go traffic?....You might get 300miles on a charge, but it will take you five days to go 300 miles..

Driving over 60 is what most would consider normal for a long distance drive. And as you say, and I pointed out earlier, the range goes way down the faster you travel. It's one main reason electric vehicles are not popular. Anyone who researches them will see they are unusable for a long trip, and not a very long one at that.

[dpevans]

Thank the federal government for their interference. By 2025 car emission have to make cuts that equal 55mpg and the only way to get that is to sell a majority of electric cars. I believe Volvo is already becoming all electric. UK standards are all electric by 2040.

[Marty McFlew]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

You haven't seen videos of people in tesla's in ludicrous mode.

Way more adrenaline pumping than loud noise (though maybe not as much as loud noise + extreme acceleration....but then most would find that loud noise to be annoying and not something you want to hear often). While speed in itself doesn't push the adrenaline out necessarily, acceleration does. As the human brain associates loud noise as something old and outdated and negative, I think the connection to adrenaline will dissipate (unless it's unexpected and then the adrenaline is a fear response, rather than excitement). But if you're one of those people who need loud noise to have fun, i'm sure you'll be able to have awesome sound systems in electric cars and you can simulate loud noise all you want on demand. I'll be listening to metal turned up to 11 while driving a modern car that's faster, simpler to fix, and cheaper to maintain. Electric FTW.


Really what's the point of these threads? Everything is going to go electric that can go electric. It's far more flexible (fuel independence) and cheaper to maintain and offers the best performance in the range people use their cars for on public roads. You can't fight it and win. There's a grocery list of of benefits under electric and a grocery list of negatives under ICE that wont ever go away. Just accept it and adapt. You'll have more fun.

Ever seen the movie Bullitt with Steve McQueen? Suppose the chase scene were done with 2 Teslas. The Movie would be long lost and forgotten because the chase scene would just a boring chase scene.

[wavsine]

Originally Posted by Marty McFlew

Actually that's not how it will work. The idea is to stop and instead of charging there will be a 5min. replacement battery swap. So batteries will always be available with a full charge at charging stations.

Oh sure, I will swap my $15,000 battery pack in my brand new car with one that may have already been recharged hundreds of times and is nearly worn out.

This just underscores the insanity of the think tank people trying to make this work.

[Factorypilot]

Originally Posted by wavsine

Oh sure, I will swap my $15,000 battery pack in my brand new car with one that may have already been recharged hundreds of times and is nearly worn out.

This just underscores the insanity of the think tank people trying to make this work.

Isn't that the function of our government? Have we ever had any other motto than "Fire!, Aim!, Ready!" ? This will be rolled out just like any other government mandate: haphazard, pissing millions of people off and with no hope of redemption. Sounds great.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Marty McFlew

Actually that's not how it will work. The idea is to stop and instead of charging there will be a 5min. replacement battery swap. So batteries will always be available with a full charge at charging stations.

Originally Posted by Number 3

Old idea that requires common batteries, connections and attachment schemes. Sounds easy but it isn't.

Tesla was working on this while there was a government subsidy as an incentive. Stopped when the subsidy / credit scenario went away. Rumored to have re-engaged investigation of it.

If you REALLY want to understand the "sounds easy but isn't" aspect of this, Google a now-defunct company called Better Place.