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Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

1) The 1LE has never matched the GT350R's times on the same day. If you believe that BS, then you also believe the ZL1 is only 0.39 seconds quicker than the 1LE around willow. It's been shown 2-4 seconds can easily be added/subtracted due to track conditions, barometric pressure etc.

Bullshit. The SS and GT350R ran the same exact time. Which says a lot about how well the Camaro is engineered.

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

1) 2) The G350 is not a 1/4 mile car, everyone but you seems to realize this. It traps 118 in the 1/4 mile yet is really no quicker than the auto SS. The funny thing is, the owners don't care...they didn't by it for it's 1/4 mile prowess.

Dude, it is a $70,000 Muscle car. I don't care what you say about it not being a straight line performer. It says a lot about how pathetic a car is when it is a Muscle car that costs $70K and can't do better than a 12.2...and can't beat a 1SS 1LE which is $40K less.

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

1)I'm trying to understand your logic here on saying the GT is going to run a 12.6 or slower. The current A6 runs 12.8-12.9's fairly easily. Ford has knocked off .05-0.6 seconds off of the 0-60 time alone (this is mostly in the 60'). So what you are telling everyone is, this new GT with more horsepower, more torque and a transmission that allows the engine to stay in it's powerband is going to have less of a top end pull than the current mustang? Think about what you're saying for a second. 12.9-0.5=12.4....and this is conservative.

The auto GT right now is a 12.9-13.0 at best even with the auto trans. At best it'll do a 12.6 with this new configuration.

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

1)Back to the GT350....you get so hung up on why people chose it. It's a special car man, leave it be. In 5 years, even when it's slower then the latest and greatest mustang it will still be more valuable and desirable. It's just the way it works in mustang-land.

You're soo hung up with trying to prove your point and defend that POS that nobody here cares about. And you have a shit excuse for everything. Yet all the evidence points to the GT350R being a complete losing POS that can barely beat a 1SS 1LE at anything. Dude, the car you like is a completely useless POS. It consumes oil, they have vibrational issues, they can't beat any V8 Camaro, they cost more than a ZL1, and they come base with no options. It is the most garbage vehicle in present times.

[iPODFAN11]

Funny how it takes using the "drag mode" to get the fastest 0-60, when Camaro just does it, no special "modes".

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LOL, I actually do hope the GT is faster than the SS. because that will be hilarious when all the people who paid over $80,000 for a Shelby GT350R with 526 hp get their asses handed to them by a $30,000 base GT that has 66 less hp! I swear I will laugh my ass off. I will join their site just to troll and laugh at them, haha!! Matter of fact, how fun would it be to go to a dealership, buy one, take it to the track, line it up next to a GT350 and whip his ass? That would be the best!!

[iPODFAN11]

Originally Posted by HYPER1LE

The 10-speed, more than likely, will filter down from the Zl1 to other Camaros just as Ford is now going to offer it in other applications. It probably will end up in all of GM rear wheel products (Corvette, Silverado, Sierra, Cadillacs). Mass production will reduce cost for both manufacturers. If so, SS will get another performance/fuel economy gain as will the others. Also, Camaro SS likely has another performance bump coming from 455hp which likely will come with mid-cycle refresh in 2019 since the 2018's are already rolling out unchanged in performance. GM could do it with the new OEM with tune now available as stock from the factory. That with the 10-speed would be all that's necessary to answer Ford IMO. This horsepower battle is typical back and forth between Camaro and Mustang. It's been going on for decades!

Gen 5 refresh only bumped power on the V6. LS3/L99 were unchanged in power #s. I don't see them bumping power on the LT1. I think they may just stuff the A10 behind the SS and meet or beat the Ford time.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Bullshit. The SS and GT350R ran the same exact time. Which says a lot about how well the Camaro is engineered.

Show me where they were compared on the same day? The ZL1 ran several seconds off running on different days, as have many other cars. Your whole SS and GT350R ran the same time is total bullshit, sorry to say. I’m not sure why you are arguing this, as if it happened to be true the mighty ZL1 would be a colossal waste of money compared to the SS.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Dude, it is a $70,000 Muscle car.

Except, it’s not being purchased as a muscle car.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The auto GT right now is a 12.9-13.0 at best even with the auto trans. At best it'll do a 12.6 with this new configuration.

You need to get out more. The auto GT is an easy 12.9 runner….all day every day. Keep on pushing your impossible 12.6 number. I guess you still think the GT has 450 horsepower per motortrends factual numbers!

How can you not comprehend that if you deduct .6 seconds off of a 12.9 ¼ mile that you will yield results better than 12.6?

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

You're soo hung up with trying to prove your point and defend that POS that nobody here cares about. And you have a shit excuse for everything. Yet all the evidence points to the GT350R being a complete losing POS that can barely beat a 1SS 1LE at anything. Dude, the car you like is a completely useless POS. It consumes oil, they have vibrational issues, they can't beat any V8 Camaro, they cost more than a ZL1, and they come base with no options. It is the most garbage vehicle in present times.

You just can’t comprehend that people desire the GT350R over the ZL1 can you? It’s OK man, I’ll give you a hug if you need one.

Originally Posted by iPODFAN11

Funny how it takes using the "drag mode" to get the fastest 0-60, when Camaro just does it, no special "modes".

Does this matter? Many cars require a performance mode to extract the vehicles full potential. You can bet you’ll see something similar on the next gen camaro.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

LOL, I actually do hope the GT is faster than the SS. because that will be hilarious when all the people who paid over $80,000 for a Shelby GT350R with 526 hp get their asses handed to them by a $30,000 base GT that has 66 less hp! I swear I will laugh my ass off. I will join their site just to troll and laugh at them, haha!! Matter of fact, how fun would it be to go to a dealership, buy one, take it to the track, line it up next to a GT350 and whip his ass? That would be the best!!

Do you really think they will care? They will still own an exclusive piece of automotive history. GT350 owners didn’t purchase them for their ¼ mile times.

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Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

You just can’t comprehend that people desire the GT350R over the ZL1 can you? It’s OK man, I’ll give you a hug if you need one.

Um, what does that have to do with anything I said?

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Um, what does that have to do with anything I said?

You bitch and moan about Adm and consistently need to tell the world how shitty you feel the GT350 is. You obviously has some serious issues with people choosing to purchase it, else you wouldn’t continuously comment on it.

With that said, back to the MY18 discussion.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Show me where they were compared on the same day? The ZL1 ran several seconds off running on different days, as have many other cars. Your whole SS and GT350R ran the same time is total bullshit, sorry to say. I’m not sure why you are arguing this, as if it happened to be true the mighty ZL1 would be a colossal waste of money compared to the SS.


Except, it’s not being purchased as a muscle car.



You need to get out more. The auto GT is an easy 12.9 runner….all day every day. Keep on pushing your impossible 12.6 number. I guess you still think the GT has 450 horsepower per motortrends factual numbers!

How can you not comprehend that if you deduct .6 seconds off of a 12.9 ¼ mile that you will yield results better than 12.6?



You just can’t comprehend that people desire the GT350R over the ZL1 can you? It’s OK man, I’ll give you a hug if you need one.



Does this matter? Many cars require a performance mode to extract the vehicles full potential. You can bet you’ll see something similar on the next gen camaro.



Do you really think they will care? They will still own an exclusive piece of automotive history. GT350 owners didn’t purchase them for their ¼ mile times.

Dude, everything you say is just utter nonsense. You have an excuse for every time the Mustang loses. And now your only saving grace is to put all your cards on this update and hope it can finally keep up, lol!! Pathetic. Every Mustang that is out gets outperformed by every Camaro in a comparable trim...and they get matched or beaten on a circuit by even a lower trim. And you're soo full of yourself that you can't even admit it. The GT is slower than the SS. I'd be willing to bet that the V6 1LE will beat the GT around a track...and probably even the GT PP. The A10 ZL1 can beat ANY Mustang. The 1SS 1LE can match the GT350R and beat the GT350. The EB is useless. And now you think a refresh that still leaves the GT down by a significant amount of torque will magically make it beat the SS. And even further is that you're too foolish to realize that a $30,000 car that is faster than a $70,000 is a dumb move. If the SS was faster in a quarter mile than the ZL1, do you really think the ZL1 would sell? You think GT buyers would be ok with it if the EB Stang was just as fast as the GT in a quarter mile? You think Hellcat owners won't be pissed off if the SRT was just as fast? Yet you think people are gonna pay for a GT350R that gets it's ass handed to it by a GT? Well knowing Mustang buyers I can honestly believe that. All this just goes to show just how much of a POS the Shelby really is if it loses to the GT. So it really is a lose-lose situation. If the GT is faster than the Camaro then it'll be faster than the GT350R which will make Shelby owners look even more like the dumbasses they are. If it doesn't beat the SS then it'll still be slower than the Shelby and all this crap talking you're doing will just give you a reason to come up with even more ridiculous excuses which we'll all get to laugh at. So no matter what happens, the Mustang will still be an epic laughing stock of the Muscle car world.

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Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

You bitch and moan about Adm and consistently need to tell the world how shitty you feel the GT350 is. You obviously has some serious issues with people choosing to purchase it, else you wouldn’t continuously comment on it.

With that said, back to the MY18 discussion.

Bitch and moan? Dude, I am not bitching and moaning. I'm actually glad you guys pay ADMs. Because that just shows that you guys pay a shit load of money for a pathetic POS that can't beat a competitor's car that costs the same amount of money at anything, can't beat the same competitor's car that costs half the price at anything, and probably won't be able to beat even a lower trim of itself in a straight line, lol!! I am actually really happy that you guys pay that much and I hope you all continue to do so. It is amusing.

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Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Do you really think they will care? They will still own an exclusive piece of automotive history. GT350 owners didn’t purchase them for their ¼ mile times.

What they own is a stripped down GT, that costs more than a GT, and is a higher trim level than a GT, and has more hp than a GT, and is supposed to be a complete track car unlike the GT, yet won't be able to beat a GT in a straight line. That actually WILL be a piece of automotive history because it'll be the first time in history that a performance vehicle was actually slower than a lesser trim level that costs half the price. That will earn a special place in history alright!!

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Dude, everything you say is just utter nonsense. You have an excuse for every time the Mustang loses. And now your only saving grace is to put all your cards on this update and hope it can finally keep up, lol!! Pathetic. Every Mustang that is out gets outperformed by every Camaro in a comparable trim...and they get matched or beaten on a circuit by even a lower trim. And you're soo full of yourself that you can't even admit it. The GT is slower than the SS. I'd be willing to bet that the V6 1LE will beat the GT around a track...and probably even the GT PP. The A10 ZL1 can beat ANY Mustang. The 1SS 1LE can match the GT350R and beat the GT350. The EB is useless. And now you think a refresh that still leaves the GT down by a significant amount of torque will magically make it beat the SS. And even further is that you're too foolish to realize that a $30,000 car that is faster than a $70,000 is a dumb move. If the SS was faster in a quarter mile than the ZL1, do you really think the ZL1 would sell? You think GT buyers would be ok with it if the EB Stang was just as fast as the GT in a quarter mile? You think Hellcat owners won't be pissed off if the SRT was just as fast? Yet you think people are gonna pay for a GT350R that gets it's ass handed to it by a GT? Well knowing Mustang buyers I can honestly believe that. All this just goes to show just how much of a POS the Shelby really is if it loses to the GT. So it really is a lose-lose situation. If the GT is faster than the Camaro then it'll be faster than the GT350R which will make Shelby owners look even more like the dumbasses they are. If it doesn't beat the SS then it'll still be slower than the Shelby and all this crap talking you're doing will just give you a reason to come up with even more ridiculous excuses which we'll all get to laugh at. So no matter what happens, the Mustang will still be an epic laughing stock of the Muscle car world.

Keep the rants coming. How’s that 450hp motortrend figure for the MY18 GT working for you?

[StoutSnout]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

I don't think you're grasping my point. 0-60 times aren't measured or reported in 1/100ths of a second, therefore it's either a 4.0 or 3.9. Do you think when Ford publishes a 0-60 time that they are going to publish a number that no other manufacturer or publication uses?

You're wrong here. Take a look at the manufacturers 0-60 time below.

http://www.chevrolet.com/performance...e-z06-supercar

Chevy could have easily said 'under 3 seconds' but they didn't. They carried it out to 1/100ths (as you claim NOBODY does).

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Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Keep the rants coming. How’s that 450hp motortrend figure for the MY18 GT working for you?

How is the 1SS 1LE matching the Gt350R's time around WS working for you? How is the 1SS 1LE matching the GT350R's quarter mile working for you? How is the $10,000 ADM working for you? How is losing at everything working for you? LOL!!

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Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

I'd love to hear your reasoning behind this one.

coz i buy a car to drive nice first above anything else..zero to 60 means nothing to me.
i got superbikes if i want to go quick..no good ford building a fast car that cant hold the road safely