[96MrBass]

Ha! They just posted Big Dave's video up on the hellcat forum. There's also a ZL1 doin battle with a hellcat charger with the Z holding it's own roll racing

[laynlo15]

The mph is more impressive then the et. Very nice pass for sure and on street tires I'd say that's pretty stellar. Mine went 129.88 so its making as much hp as mine and some good driving big man.

[big dave]

Originally Posted by Artos

Dave...from the start you said you started at 1200rpm & then eased off the break till you felt there was no more slippage.

Do I understand that you floored it will some braking with the left foot until she had teeth or went 3/4 throttle till it had teeth.

Just trying to understand your initial launch process with all the nannies off. Appreciate you sharing all this.

Paul

When I staged the car, I gave it just enough throttle to keep the converter loaded (somewhere around 1200 rpms). When the lights came down, I just eased into the throttle. As you can see in the video, I didn't give it full throttle until I detected no wheel spin. This is a practice that worked very well on my 5th gen. I wasn't sure it would work on this car because I've been reading about this wall that keeps the zl1s from going sub 1.8 60' times on street tires. On my first pass, even a little throttle resulted in wheel spin followed by severe computer intervention. I didn't think I would be able to stick on my second pass.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by big dave

When I staged the car, I gave it just enough throttle to keep the converter loaded (somewhere around 1200 rpms). When the lights came down, I just eased into the throttle. As you can see in the video, I didn't give it full throttle until I detected no wheel spin. This is a practice that worked very well on my 5th gen. I wasn't sure it would work on this car because I've been reading about this wall that keeps the zl1s from going sub 1.8 60' times on street tires. On my first pass, even a little throttle resulted in wheel spin followed by severe computer intervention. I didn't think I would be able to stick on my second pass.

Sounds like you found a way to fool the torque management. It might trick it by not going WOT immediately, minimal wheel spin, then hooking not triggering the torque management. Just a thought. Did you ever feel there was torque management in the 5th gen?

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[Artos]

Originally Posted by big dave

When I staged the car, I gave it just enough throttle to keep the converter loaded (somewhere around 1200 rpms). When the lights came down, I just eased into the throttle. As you can see in the video, I didn't give it full throttle until I detected no wheel spin. This is a practice that worked very well on my 5th gen. I wasn't sure it would work on this car because I've been reading about this wall that keeps the zl1s from going sub 1.8 60' times on street tires. On my first pass, even a little throttle resulted in wheel spin followed by severe computer intervention. I didn't think I would be able to stick on my second pass.

Sorry for my ignorance...what do you mean in regard to keeping the converter loaded & how do you tell?? Did you use the brakes at all to help??

I'm new to all this & please understand this is guy who has gone from driving 4wd SUV's & 3/4 trucks all his life into a ZL1. Again, I'm really into the turns and what not, but would like to gain knowledge how to keep the tires on the ground from a stop. I too have no interest in using the nannies & want to gain knowledge in controlling it all myself.

thanks!!

[big dave]

Originally Posted by Sven59

Sounds like you found a way to fool the torque management. It might trick it by not going WOT immediately, minimal wheel spin, then hooking not triggering the torque management. Just a thought. Did you ever feel there was torque management in the 5th gen?

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There was torque management in the 5th gen but not nearly as intrusive as this one. Once I turned everything off in the old car, I could pretty much go out and kill myself without the computer aids spoiling the party

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by big dave

There was torque management in the 5th gen but not nearly as intrusive as this one. Once I turned everything off in the old car, I could pretty much go out and kill myself without the computer aids spoiling the party

Do you think it might because of the rear? I remember the 5 th gen they said they did something like 800 hard launches, never heard that about this one.

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[mdmoore23]

Originally Posted by 96MrBass

Ha! They just posted Big Dave's video up on the hellcat forum. There's also a ZL1 doin battle with a hellcat charger with the Z holding it's own roll racing

Judging by the ZL1 driver's movement, I'm certain that was a manual car too. It's good to see these hanging with the Cats, though, because though I haven't been able to go wot yet, I feared my Hellcat was a bit faster. I think the way both cars deliver power is just different.

[Infern0]

Originally Posted by big dave

When I staged the car, I gave it just enough throttle to keep the converter loaded (somewhere around 1200 rpms). When the lights came down, I just eased into the throttle. As you can see in the video, I didn't give it full throttle until I detected no wheel spin. This is a practice that worked very well on my 5th gen. I wasn't sure it would work on this car because I've been reading about this wall that keeps the zl1s from going sub 1.8 60' times on street tires. On my first pass, even a little throttle resulted in wheel spin followed by severe computer intervention. I didn't think I would be able to stick on my second pass.

1.7 60' or better was the unicorn target. Most were hitting 1.8s pretty early on.

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showth...ght=rpm&page=7

[96MrBass]

Originally Posted by mdmoore23

Judging by the ZL1 driver's movement, I'm certain that was a manual car too. It's good to see these hanging with the Cats, though, because though I haven't been able to go wot yet, I feared my Hellcat was a bit faster. I think the way both cars deliver power is just different.

I kinda thought the same thing M6 still not sure lol.

[big dave]

Originally Posted by Artos

Sorry for my ignorance...what do you mean in regard to keeping the converter loaded & how do you tell?? Did you use the brakes at all to help??

I'm new to all this & please understand this is guy who has gone from driving 4wd SUV's & 3/4 trucks all his life into a ZL1. Again, I'm really into the turns and what not, but would like to gain knowledge how to keep the tires on the ground from a stop. I too have no interest in using the nannies & want to gain knowledge in controlling it all myself.

thanks!!

I put a load on the converter by holding the brake while giving the car gas at the same time, in doing so I'm keeping my eyes on the tach looking for 1200 RPM. This takes away some of the initial shock to the tires when you launch and makes it easier to modulate the throttle when you launch.

Originally Posted by Sven59

Do you think it might because of the rear? I remember the 5 th gen they said they did something like 800 hard launches, never heard that about this one.

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Definitely because of the rear. When talking to one of the gm engineers last year at the ZL1 introduction, we were told there would be safeguards installed to protect the rear. He said that the rear isn't as strong as the one Iin the 5th gen, but was just too good to not install in this one.

[2NASSTY]

Great pass again Big Dave on factory rubber. Very impressive MPH.

There are other ways to defeat TM in the 5th Gen when heavily modded that shows up more versus stock. Change the rear tire diameter when adding a drag pack set-up is one way that tricks the TM in 5th Gens. I have seen a 2-3 tenth/MPH difference with all TM removed consistently at the track in the 1/4 mile.

The 2nd method, I do not recommend, but I had to try it anyway. Pulling the ABS fuse which also defeats all TM regardless of rear tire diameter in the 5th Gens.

Not sure if any of these techniques are worth a try or even advised in the 6th Gen. I have talked to a reputable LSA/LT tuner about the TM in the 6th Gen ZL1, and he has never seen anything like it.

[Mishaman68]

Sweet run!!! Love that you taped up the rear quarter panels for protection.

[big dave]

Originally Posted by 2NASSTY

Great pass again Big Dave on factory rubber. Very impressive MPH.

There are other ways to defeat TM in the 5th Gen when heavily modded that shows up more versus stock. Change the rear tire diameter when adding a drag pack set-up is one way that tricks the TM in 5th Gens. I have seen a 2-3 tenth/MPH difference with all TM removed consistently at the track in the 1/4 mile.

The 2nd method, I do not recommend, but I had to try it anyway. Pulling the ABS fuse which also defeats all TM regardless of rear tire diameter in the 5th Gens.

Not sure if any of these techniques are worth a try or even advised in the 6th Gen. I have talked to a reputable LSA/LT tuner about the TM in the 6th Gen ZL1, and he has never seen anything like it.

Thanks buddy. It appears the best way to defeat the tm is by avoiding spinning. The 5th gen lets you get away with a lot more than the new one before the government steps in .

Originally Posted by Mishaman68

Sweet run!!! Love that you taped up the rear quarter panels for protection.

Thanks! Yeah, black is a pita as it is...last thing I need is stone chips on my rear. lol!!