[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by HuJass

2 reasons:

2) looks: people that shop American pony/muscle/sports cars want their American pony/muscle/sports cars to look like American pony/muscle/sports cars. Simple as that. The new Camaro does not.
I know all on this board like it better, but what are you, a couple hundred people? In the grand scheme of things, you're a HUGE minority.

If the number one observation by everyone is it looks like the 5th gen, which looks like a "Camaro", then how does the 6th gen not look like an "American pony/muscle/sports cars"?

[Thor142]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

If the number one observation by everyone is it looks like the 5th gen, which looks like a "Camaro", then how does the 6th gen not look like an "American pony/muscle/sports cars"?

^^This

It's not experiencing slow sales because of looks or performance. Thats for sure.

[aestil]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

If the number one observation by everyone is it looks like the 5th gen, which looks like a "Camaro", then how does the 6th gen not look like an "American pony/muscle/sports cars"?

This was my exact thought. It looks so much like the 5th Gen Camaro and that car sold like hotcakes.

So either the 6th Gen is selling bad because it's more expensive and doesn't look different enough, or it's selling bad because it doesn't look like a classic muscle car [but then why did the 5th Gen sells so well?].

I think the biggest thing is very little advertising done on this car so far. If we so more advertisements on TV and in print for this car during summer and the rest of the year, maybe sales will pick up for the MY17 cars.

[AdvanSuper]

Originally Posted by SpookShow'84

People go to the website, build and price. Who wants to have a salesman chewing on their leg for an hour? That build and price cost is what sticks in their head.

The advertised price on a dealers websites, the 1SS cars here only get below $40K with a M6 car, stripped.

I have NPP, Black Wheels and MRC paid 38.7 OTD before any money down or trade with minimal negotiation. I wouldn't call that stripped as the only other options you have are A8, Brakes and Sunroof then the little useless crap like painted emblems.

You also never go into a dealership to buy a car lol... You email all dealers in a 200-500 mile radius and get your lowest OTD price with all options you want and keep hitting up dealer after dealer with the lowest invoice you have until no one is budging anymore.

Get that invoiced signed and emailed to you and you did this all from your computer in your underwear. Then you go into the dealership to buy your car, but dressed and not in your underwear.

[SpookShow'84]

I'm not saying you shouldn't, just seems like a lot of $ to spend for leather and dual climate, with a few other tchotchkies thrown in. Do what you want with your money. I'm just saying a whole lot more money evaporates into thin air when you buy a 2SS vs. a 1SS. To me those options aren't worth the increased percentage deprecation and extra insurance premiums.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by SpookShow'84

I'm not saying you shouldn't, just seems like a lot of $ to spend for leather and dual climate, with a few other tchotchkies thrown in. Do what you want with your money. I'm just saying a whole lot more money evaporates into thin air when you buy a 2SS vs. a 1SS. To me those options aren't worth the increased percentage deprecation and extra insurance premiums.

You are right. But to me, cars are my passion and factually a terrible investment of capital to begin with. So I'd prefer to have those extras for me, even though it will result in more depreciation. I simply cut out "other expenses" to balance things out. But most Americans are terrible with their spending anyway. Look at how many people "lease" cell phones now (sorry for the tangent lol).

[aestil]

Originally Posted by SpookShow'84

I'm not saying you shouldn't, just seems like a lot of $ to spend for leather and dual climate, with a few other tchotchkies thrown in. Do what you want with your money. I'm just saying a whole lot more money evaporates into thin air when you buy a 2SS vs. a 1SS. To me those options aren't worth the increased percentage deprecation and extra insurance premiums.

and heated and ventilated seats, and blind spot monitoring and HUD and interior lighting package.

Some of us want the car to be a nice place to be. They want it to be a GT car. the 2SS makes it a pretty nice place to be for a reasonable price.

What you're doing is projecting your personal values [this is worth my money, and this is not worth my money] on everyone else.

You realize that the purchase even of a 1SS is a complete waste. You could get a used Kia for like $6000 and drive it forever without hardly any mechanical issues. You're just evaporating soooo mucccch money with purchasing that 1SS...

[Bhobbs]

This is what happens when you want an M4 or ATS-V with a bow tie. There is no free lunch. The increased performance, weight loss and better interior has to be paid for.

[kahbear@aol.com]

In my neck of the woods, quite a few of them on dealer lots but I don't see hardly any on the road. Also way more SS's on the lots than anything else. Easy to spot because of the hood vents. I have not personally seen a 2.0L at all.

[Richard0nee]

Originally Posted by leadfoot93

I know near me all of the dealers still don't have 1SS on the lot. They are filled with fully loaded 2SS starting at 45-46k. I'm glad I did the custom order or I would have still been waiting for a 1SS

True! I'm lucky to find a 1SS with NPP, split spoke rims and floor mats lol

Most are loaded 2SS in SoCal

[SpookShow'84]

Originally Posted by SpookShow'84

I'm not saying you shouldn't, just seems like a lot of $ to spend for leather and dual climate, with a few other tchotchkies thrown in. Do what you want with your money. I'm just saying a whole lot more money evaporates into thin air when you buy a 2SS vs. a 1SS. To me those options aren't worth the increased percentage deprecation and extra insurance premiums.

^

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by ThatRedFirebird

Yup, the "base" model cars are too up-market now.

Start at 26k (2.0T)
$900 NPP
$1000 Sunroof
$500 Nav
$2000 RS Package
$1800 Auto trans

Almost all cars have these- you're now at $33000 for a base model car with no leather. Take off sunroof or nav (grab V6?) and you're still north of $30k. Base GT starts at 32! I have seen V6 (non VERTs) for $43k! And higher! Crazy

Which is why so many grab the SS- they want the performance. The 1SS is frankly a bargain for performance- no car is as well-rounded around a track in that price range. Stang and Scat Packs both can't handle either straights (Stang) or corners (Scat Pack).

Gotta love the folks that come in and over-inflate the price of the Camaro with items you can't even get on a base car, and even then its still too high, and then quote the price of the Mustang under MSRP.

I built a 1LT as close to your "spec" above, and it came out at 31. (Nav and NPP not available on the base 2.0 Camaro and auto trans is not 1,800) A base Mustang GT is over 33K (when you add in destination), and would have even less options on it than that Camaro.

Next time try actual facts.

I've seen folks on here saying they got a few thousand or more off the price of their Camaros without trying too hard. Yet everyone in this forum acts like dealerships aren't budging. Maybe you guys need to look around more or try harder.

I didn't pay MSRP for my car, and I ordered it before they were evening hitting lots last year.

Yeah...the price is high compared to the Mustang, no doubt. Maybe Chevy needs to actually advertise the car and explain why its worth it. I'm convinced most people have no clue the car is even new.

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by Thor142

It's priced too high. You can talk about "value" for your dollar all you want. The market is speaking. The consumers aren't seeing it.

Well, I tried to help the sales, I just purchased one a couple weeks ago. I agree the pricing is high, which has been my struggle but I can honestly say it is a big improvement over my 2013 2SS 1LE.

- The tech is way better, ventilated seats, improved Mylink, Apple CarPlay, G-Meters, performance timers, etc.
- MRC provides a suspension control at the flip of a switch, which I like more than being in permanent track mode on the 1LE.
- The leather seats are better, softer and more comfortable
- The interior is a huge improvement, better HUD, modern fighter cockpit, etc.
- The NPP Exhaust is not electronically controlled with different modes. Only problem is mine rattles. Waiting for a solid fix.
- Smaller, lighter and faster than my last car. LT1 vs LS3 and new 8 speed Auto with super quick shifts. M6 owners get Active Rev Match.
- Slightly better gas mileage

Here was my deal. I previously had a 2013 2SS 1LE with NPP, NAV and Sunroof. MSRP was $43k at the time. I paid $39k and leased it over 36 months. Two weeks ago I took delivery of a 2016, Mosaic Black 2SS with NPP, MRC, A8 and NAV. MSRP was $47,200. $3100 dealer discount, $500 lease incentive, $1500 red tag discount (no idea, I just asked for more discount) and $1000 private offer. $41,100 plus tax. Definitely a money loser for the dealership but they sold the car. So, with this deal I was only paying $2k more then the last one and you could argue that if I got the M6 instead of A8 they would be about the same price.

So, to all those on the fence. This is a much improved car over the GEN5, it really is. If you are trying to justify the price, what do we compare it to? It is more car than the Mustang so it should cost a bit more. They are comparing this car to the BMW M4 now. Personally, I think this car compares to the Corvette. I honestly feel like this car is a cheaper version of the Stingray. So, if you can get 98% of the performance of a new vette for $40-50k is it worth it?

[Number 3]

Look, they designed the car based on the real fans on this and maybe a few other websites. A lot of discussion on this, but most of the folks on this site are thinking V8 and performance. And if you are looking for a great performance car and you've been secretly harbor ing a desire for a Camaro that finally runs with a base Corvette, well GM delivers that car and then some.

But if you are looking for a Sport Coupe with an I4 or V6 AND you don't come to Camaro5 or 6 everyday then your judgement criteria is a bit different. For that customer GM has clearly missed the target a bit.